Real 3rd Party Scare.

AssHatZombie said:
everyday.
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Never!

And by now you know it.

But like Trump with that "the election was stolen" bullshit, you are not man enough to acknowledge being wrong.

No problem. I am not playing golf until next Tuesday, so I can sit here and help you make a fool of yourself.

Which I fully intend to do.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Never!

And by now you know it.

But like Trump with that "the election was stolen" bullshit, you are not man enough to acknowledge being wrong.

No problem. I am not playing golf until next Tuesday, so I can sit here and help you make a fool of yourself.

Which I fully intend to do.
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the election was stolen too.

ballot stuffing enabled by unconstitutional rule changes.


it's easy like sunday morning.
 
AssHatZombie said:
the election was stolen too.
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The election was not stolen. Trump is not mature enough to concede defeat, despite the enormous defeat he suffered in the popular vote and in the Electoral College.

ballot stuffing enabled by unconstitutional rule changes.
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If that could be shown as the case, Trump and his morons would have presented it in a court of law...and the court would have ruled in his favor.

All that bullshit was laughed out of court.

And the entire country is laughing at you people who still buy that snake oil.


it's easy like sunday morning.
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Yup. I can see that you've begged and stolen.

I'd bet on it.
 
goat said:
Anthony Kennedy appointed GWB to the oval office. The electoral college and winner takes all makes a mockery of democracy. Biden was forced on dems because Harris and Buttigieg were rejected by voters. Elections are a sham, the only way out of this mess is revolt. We're a lot closer to an uprising than most may think.
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Goat, you've convinced me that you are an intelligent voter and a true advocate for Democracy. You hit the nail on the head, and defined the root cause of what ends up becoming out largest problem our nation faces.

Yes, the Electoral College, and Winner-take-all state rules, along with the filibuster, and gerrymandering scams put a huge stranglehold on Democracy. It just goes to show you how the United States has had foxes in the henhouse since 1776! We built our government on a foundation that is crumbling away ever more with every election cycle.

The United States is the only free Democratic country in the entire world that has these anti-Democratic Democracy-killing obstacles indoctrinated right into our voting process.

You have an ally Sir! I will never be complicit or even have any faith in our electoral process, as long as the United States federally allows for ANTI-DEMOCRATIC renegade States to literally rob us of our votes and render them useless in Federal elections.

YES SIR! When push comes to shove, we find our backs up against the wall, and we find ourselves playing with a stacked deck- IT WILL GENERATE AN UPRISING OF DEMOCRACY FIGHTERS OUR NATION HAS NEVER SEEN BEFORE.

I am not a violent man, and I do not condone violence in any way. But, I do have faith in a vocal majority that has found themselves a sleeping giant and are now waking up to the fact- THAT WITHOUT DEMOCRACY AND FAIR ELECTIONS- OUR COUNTRY, OUR FREEDOMS, AND AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE IS DOOMED!

Keep up the good fight! Fighting for Democracy is the most worthwhile cause we can have now.

Thanks for your valuable and appreciated contributions here in the forum!
 
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Frank Apisa said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Umm, Frank? THIS ISN'T ABOUT WHETHER YOU LIKED NADER OR NOT. This is about the FACT that Nader LEGITIMATELY BY THE RULES got the votes to be a viable 3rd party candidate that should have been on that debate.

If his platform was so unrealistic, then why the shady deals BY BOTH PARTIES to change the rules and keep him from the debate? Would they have to change some of their respective platform promises because of his presentations ... changes that would NOT be appreciated by the military/industrial (corporate) complex and cost them campaign donations?
They cheated the man....THAT'S the reality. Anyone who is intellectually honest can do the research and see that for themselves.

America will never know because folk like you are mouthing the EXACT platitudes that keeps the status quo going....and why we as a society, much less a country is circling the drain.
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I stand by my comment that neither party did as much damage to Nader as did Nader himself.
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You can stand on your head with insipid stubbornness, Frank....it won't make your assertions any less flawed. Here, chew on this (or in your case, deny it):
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PostmodernProphet said:
Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
HE DID CHANGE THE DYNAMIC...OF THAT ELECTION.

Gore lost...George W. Bush won.

And Nader was a significant factor in that lose/win.

THAT is a matter of fact...a matter of history.
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God bless him!......
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Yeah, and you really enjoyed the S&L scandal, Wall St. debacle, the Mortgage scandal, outsourcing jobs, tax breaks for the rich, invading/occupying Iraq based on a LIE, committing treason by outing a CIA operative who kept tabs on terrorists and nuke material, cutting back funding on VA benefits.

I don't know if you're actually this fucking stupid or dumb enough to think you sail with the likes of Cheney & company (hint: they wipe their feet on you).

Post #184....seems neither you or Frank can deal with reality.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Yeah, and you really enjoyed the S&L scandal, Wall St. debacle, the Mortgage scandal, outsourcing jobs, tax breaks for the rich, invading/occupying Iraq based on a LIE, committing treason by outing a CIA operative who kept tabs on terrorists and nuke material, cutting back funding on VA benefits.

I don't know if you're actually this fucking stupid or dumb enough to think you sail with the likes of Cheney & company (hint: they wipe their feet on you).

Post #184....seems neither you or Frank can deal with reality.
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I don't share your delusions.......or the inaccuracy of your memories......didn't you know the S&L crisis was over by the time Bush beat Gore?......or that Bush was the one who warned about the subprime lending process put in place by his predecessor and that the demmycrats in the House called him a racist for doing so?......
 
Taichiliberal said:
You can stand on your head with insipid stubbornness, Frank....it won't make your assertions any less flawed. Here, chew on this (or in your case, deny it):
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Perot supporters; Nader supporters; Sanders supporters...all of a breed. Dreamers.

Taich, if you want to think Nader did not impact on the Gore vote...do so. Some people argue the Earth is flat; the moon landing was faked; the Capitol riot was a left wing set up.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Yeah, and you really enjoyed the S&L scandal, Wall St. debacle, the Mortgage scandal, outsourcing jobs, tax breaks for the rich, invading/occupying Iraq based on a LIE, committing treason by outing a CIA operative who kept tabs on terrorists and nuke material, cutting back funding on VA benefits.

I don't know if you're actually this fucking stupid or dumb enough to think you sail with the likes of Cheney & company (hint: they wipe their feet on you).

Post #184....seems neither you or Frank can deal with reality.
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I don't share your delusions.......or the inaccuracy of your memories......didn't you know the S&L crisis was over by the time Bush beat Gore?......or that Bush was the one who warned about the subprime lending process put in place by his predecessor and that the demmycrats in the House called him a racist for doing so?......
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Reagan was President during the S&L scandal, genius. You know, the god of the right wing? The creator of "reaganomics" that's served the country so well with it's deregulation dogma? The policies that were continued by Daddy Bush and his idiot son The Shrub? Didn't Daddy Bush bitch about "voodoo economics" but carried on the same policies (remember the lie about "no new taxes"?).

What's truly pathetic is how proudly ignorant you are about recent history, and how you foolishly think your revisionist clap trap passes for historical facts. You're not delusional, just a willfully ignorant and intellectually dishonest 3rd rate right wing propagandist. I can document what I say, can you? If not, go blow smoke somewhere else, as you waste time and space doubling down on your BS.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
You can stand on your head with insipid stubbornness, Frank....it won't make your assertions any less flawed. Here, chew on this (or in your case, deny it):
Post #184
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Perot supporters; Nader supporters; Sanders supporters...all of a breed. Dreamers.

Taich, if you want to think Nader did not impact on the Gore vote...do so. Some people argue the Earth is flat; the moon landing was faked; the Capitol riot was a left wing set up.
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yeah, Frank....you can babble your BS rather than just concede to the facts. Nader got zero electoral votes.....last time I checked, that negates the popular vote. 0.71% of the popular vote was not a game changer....especially given the BS the GOP pulled in Florida (with help from the SCOTUS).

So if you want to keep shoveling that BS that Nader cost Gore the election, be my guest. The FACTS tell a different story, one where the RNC and the DNC conspired to keep the man from a debate that he was legally entitled to....something that has been officially acknowledged, as my previous link showed.

That you can't muster the cojones to just concede a matter of fact & history because it counters your beliefs makes you no better than our resident right wing wonks in this one respect. A pity, Frank, as I expected better from you. Carry on with your insipid stubborness.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Reagan was President during the S&L scandal, genius. You know, the god of the right wing? The creator of "reaganomics" that's served the country so well with it's deregulation dogma? The policies that were continued by Daddy Bush and his idiot son The Shrub? Didn't Daddy Bush bitch about "voodoo economics" but carried on the same policies (remember the lie about "no new taxes"?).

What's truly pathetic is how proudly ignorant you are about recent history, and how you foolishly think your revisionist clap trap passes for historical facts. You're not delusional, just a willfully ignorant and intellectually dishonest 3rd rate right wing propagandist. I can document what I say, can you? If not, go blow smoke somewhere else, as you waste time and space doubling down on your BS.
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so you admit your comment was irrelevant to the post you responded to......."Gore lost, Bush won.....Nader had nothing to do with it"......
 
Taichiliberal said:
yeah, Frank....you can babble your BS rather than just concede to the facts. Nader got zero electoral votes.....last time I checked, that negates the popular vote. 0.71% of the popular vote was not a game changer....especially given the BS the GOP pulled in Florida (with help from the SCOTUS).

So if you want to keep shoveling that BS that Nader cost Gore the election, be my guest. The FACTS tell a different story, one where the RNC and the DNC conspired to keep the man from a debate that he was legally entitled to....something that has been officially acknowledged, as my previous link showed.

That you can't muster the cojones to just concede a matter of fact & history because it counters your beliefs makes you no better than our resident right wing wonks in this one respect. A pity, Frank, as I expected better from you. Carry on with your insipid stubborness.
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see, even libs know franks an asshole.
 
Taichiliberal said:
yeah, Frank....you can babble your BS rather than just concede to the facts. Nader got zero electoral votes.....last time I checked, that negates the popular vote. 0.71% of the popular vote was not a game changer....especially given the BS the GOP pulled in Florida (with help from the SCOTUS).

So if you want to keep shoveling that BS that Nader cost Gore the election, be my guest. The FACTS tell a different story, one where the RNC and the DNC conspired to keep the man from a debate that he was legally entitled to....something that has been officially acknowledged, as my previous link showed.

That you can't muster the cojones to just concede a matter of fact & history because it counters your beliefs makes you no better than our resident right wing wonks in this one respect. A pity, Frank, as I expected better from you. Carry on with your insipid stubborness.
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You keep changing the argument so that you can argue against what YOU say I said...rather than what I ACTUALLY SAID.

I did not say that Nader cost Gore the election. I said that Nader impacted on the Gore vote; that he changed the dynamic of that election, and that the change was a significant factor in the loss. It was. That has been conceded by history.

If you cannot see that, you are simply being voluntarily blind.

I also said that Nader, and his "policies" did more damage to Nader than the Democrats or the Republicans. He was one of the worst politician I've seen during my lifetime...and being an effective politician is a HUGE part of getting elected. He had no chance whatever...except to negatively impact on the Democratic vote.

If you cannot muster the balls to concede that you have been screwing with the bar rather than actually debating what I said...that is your problem.
 
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