Real 3rd Party Scare.

Frank Apisa said:
Quote one instance.

You cannot.

And you do not have the spine to acknowledge it.

You are a
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You said it everyday.
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
If we can't all agree on who wins and loses an election- IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT REALLY MATTERS?
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Anthony Kennedy appointed GWB to the oval office. The electoral college and winner takes all makes a mockery of democracy. Biden was forced on dems because Harris and Buttigieg were rejected by voters. Elections are a sham, the only way out of this mess is revolt. We're a lot closer to an uprising than most may think.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
It's a "dream" to you because you accept previous defeat of others....you also accept the 2 party narrative handed to you that if any vote outside the parameters of what they deem is "defeating" the party with the good ideas for America.

That's a crock...and the last 40 years proves that is a crock. The OP proves that. Hell, what both parties did to Ralph Nader proves that.

Fact is people who say as you do are essentially scared of true confrontation. The jackboot literally has to be on their necks before the act in union with others...and that usually results in a bloody mess.

That mess can be avoided, but there MUST be confrontation. Hell, the Europeans and South Americans to a degree don't take any guff....they are in the streets raising real hell...stopping work, stopping traffic, etc.

Thing is, King and Ghandi changed a country without firing a shot or throwing a punch. That took real guts. I fear Americans have forgotten/lost that.
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Only thing I will comment on is, "Hell, what both parties did to Ralph Nader proves that."

Neither party did as much damage to Ralph Nader (and what you suppose to be "his message")...as Ralph Nader did to himself.

He was a dreamer...and had absolutely no chance of ever getting any significant part of his agenda passed. In fact, I doubt any significant part would ever have been seriously considered. He was a dreamer. He had the personality and dynamic of oatmeal...and was going nowhere.

And while I love and support damn near everything Bernie Sanders advocates...he also is just a dreamer with no reasonable path toward implementing 99.99% if his agenda.

Those of us wanting change have got to get real...and Nader and Sanders are not that. Neither are you right now, Taich.
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Umm, Frank? THIS ISN'T ABOUT WHETHER YOU LIKED NADER OR NOT. This is about the FACT that Nader LEGITIMATELY BY THE RULES got the votes to be a viable 3rd party candidate that should have been on that debate.

If his platform was so unrealistic, then why the shady deals BY BOTH PARTIES to change the rules and keep him from the debate? Would they have to change some of their respective platform promises because of his presentations ... changes that would NOT be appreciated by the military/industrial (corporate) complex and cost them campaign donations?
They cheated the man....THAT'S the reality. Anyone who is intellectually honest can do the research and see that for themselves.

America will never know because folk like you are mouthing the EXACT platitudes that keeps the status quo going....and why we as a society, much less a country is circling the drain.
 
Frank Apisa said:
HE DID CHANGE THE DYNAMIC...OF THAT ELECTION.

Gore lost...George W. Bush won.

And Nader was a significant factor in that lose/win.

THAT is a matter of fact...a matter of history.
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Frank, parroting the SOS that the Dems and Repubs have been squawking won't change the FACT that both parties conspired to keep the man from that debate...and he had EARNED that spot by EARNING the votes LEGITIMATELY by the same system that got Gore and Bush there.

A matter of fact, a matter of history. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2000/10/nad-o05.html

https://gpus.org/other/press/pr_04_16_02.html

Oh, and FYI: Nader got zero electoral votes.....last time I checked, that negates the popular vote. 0.71% of the popular vote was note a game changer....especially given the BS the GOP pulled in Florida (with help from the SCOTUS). Just a reminder that hopefully will keep you from parroting the SOS.
 
Flash said:


Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
People can only be pushed so far before they take the cue from the Europeans and take to the streets or tell the old guard politicians to get out of the way.
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That is what the Jan 6 rioters said.
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And they were full of it....because they had NO problem when the concurrent Congressional elections were in their candidates favor....the EXACT same system that they scream bloody murder about when they lost the Presidential election. Matter of fact, matter of history.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Umm, Frank? THIS ISN'T ABOUT WHETHER YOU LIKED NADER OR NOT. This is about the FACT that Nader LEGITIMATELY BY THE RULES got the votes to be a viable 3rd party candidate that should have been on that debate.

If his platform was so unrealistic, then why the shady deals BY BOTH PARTIES to change the rules and keep him from the debate? Would they have to change some of their respective platform promises because of his presentations ... changes that would NOT be appreciated by the military/industrial (corporate) complex and cost them campaign donations?
They cheated the man....THAT'S the reality. Anyone who is intellectually honest can do the research and see that for themselves.

America will never know because folk like you are mouthing the EXACT platitudes that keeps the status quo going....and why we as a society, much less a country is circling the drain.
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I stand by my comment that neither party did as much damage to Nader as did Nader himself.
 
AssHatZombie said:
was trump a russian agent?
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I have no idea. My guess is the Russians would never use him for an agent, because Trump is one of the most stupid people ever to gain great power.

In any case, I have NEVER claimed he was a Russian agent...and when you claim that I have, you are lying.
 
Frank Apisa said:
I have no idea. My guess is the Russians would never use him for an agent, because Trump is one of the most stupid people ever to gain great power.

In any case, I have NEVER claimed he was a Russian agent...and when you claim that I have, you are lying.
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it was your daily mantra.
 
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