Reality check on electric cars

[Nordberg]

Disprove my statement. If the panels were free, commercial solar would still be too expensive.

I know people who have solar panels on their garages to feed their EVs. Yeah, that is expensive to you. Once installed, all you have to do is keep them relatively clean. That is essentially free energy from that point on.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I know people who have solar panels on their garages to feed their EVs. Yeah, that is expensive to you. Once installed, all you have to do is keep them relatively clean. That is essentially free energy from that point on.

So long as you are charging when the panels are producing. What you are really doing is just paying for X years of electrical power today in a sense.

 

[Into the Night]

Gardner is making business decisions here based on his feelings of anger.

No. Based on physics and engineering, both of which you deny.

 

[Into the Night]

The nice thing about solar is that the fuel costs nothing. If everything else was free, then solar power would be free energy.

Not enough.

 

[Into the Night]

No, because you still need a means of producing that same amount of power when the sun isn't shining. The need for electricity is 24/7 not just when the sun is out. If the panels were free, you still need the land to put them on, the infrastructure that goes with them, the maintenance facilities to keep them working, the alternate means to either store or produce electricity when the sun isn't out, the personnel to run everything, and a way to distribute that power.

On top of that, because output is inconsistent with load, you need a means to shed excess power when it is produced.

The whole of that ends up costing more than just building reliable conventional generation using the cheapest available fuel that preferably minimizes pollution. Then you produce what you need, as you need it, 24 hours a day. Solar's inconsistent performance and inability to produce continuously are a double whammy that makes it unaffordable to use. It's why solar WILL NEVER BE COMPETITIVE WITH CONVENTIONAL GENERATION.

All great points.

 

[Into the Night]

I know people who have solar panels on their garages to feed their EVs. Yeah, that is expensive to you. Once installed, all you have to do is keep them relatively clean. That is essentially free energy from that point on.

Not enough power available. Impractical.

 

[Into the Night]

So long as you are charging when the panels are producing. What you are really doing is just paying for X years of electrical power today in a sense.

No, what he's doing is thinking he's going to get 75 amps at 240 vac for 24 hours straight out of a home solar array.

 

[Walt]

Not enough.

Free is not cheap enough?

 

[Into the Night]

Free is not cheap enough?

Not enough power, dumbass. Stop trying to pivot.

 

[Walt]

Not enough power, dumbass. Stop trying to pivot.

The thing about free is that it is free. It does not cost. You setup a hypothetical that says it is completely free... And then claim it is too expensive.

 

[Into the Night]

The thing about free is that it is free. It does not cost. You setup a hypothetical that says it is completely free... And then claim it is too expensive.

Pivot fallacy. TANSTAAFL. Word stuffing.

 

[Nordberg]

Knight is knuts. https://www.solar.com/learn/solar-panels-charge-electric-car/

 

[Into the Night]

Nah. That would be you. There is not enough power in solar panels to charge an EV in any practical length of time.

 

[Lionfish]

 

[Nordberg]

Nah. That would be you. There is not enough power in solar panels to charge an EV in any practical length of time.

They exist and do the job. You construct your own reality. https://www.solarreviews.com/blog/how-much-solar-do-i-need-to-charge-my-electric-car

 

[T. A. Gardner]

They exist and do the job. You construct your own reality. https://www.solarreviews.com/blog/how-much-solar-do-i-need-to-charge-my-electric-car

Tell that to the Australians sitting in the dark because they have committed to wind and solar bigtime.

 

[Into the Night]

They exist and do the job. You construct your own reality. https://www.solarreviews.com/blog/how-much-solar-do-i-need-to-charge-my-electric-car

Solar panels exist. They are not enough power to charge an EV in any practical length of time.

 

[Into the Night]

Tell that to the Australians sitting in the dark because they have committed to wind and solar bigtime.

Exactly.

 

[Lionfish]

Electric vehicles are less reliable because of newer technologies, Consumer Reports finds

 

[RB 60]

They exist and do the job. You construct your own reality. https://www.solarreviews.com/blog/how-much-solar-do-i-need-to-charge-my-electric-car

I have no interest in covering my roof and lining my back yard with solar panels, having the power lines run and replacing my existing home circuit breaker box.
I'm seriously considering selling my existing home and move further away from the clowns who voted for the idiots who will be representing my state.


FJB