Reality check on electric cars

Walt said:
Maybe not a charger, but you claim your house has 50+ year old wiring... You might want to update that to make your house sellable, to prevent electrical fires, and to be able to fully use modern appliances. Do you even have three prong outlets?
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Modern appliances use less electricity, no? So why would I need my (yes, I have3-prong outlets) wiring replaced?
Oh, and I never claimed my home has 50+ year old wiring. I won't have any problem selling it when that time comes.
 
RB 60 said:
Again, why waste the money when I won't be buying an electric car?
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Vacuous argument. It's not about money being spent on things you will never use.

Electric cars are expensive, they are fire hazards, they take too long to 'refuel', and have poor resale value.
 
Walt said:
Maybe not a charger, but you claim your house has 50+ year old wiring... You might want to update that to make your house sellable, to prevent electrical fires, and to be able to fully use modern appliances. Do you even have three prong outlets?
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A house is already sellable, even with really old wiring in it.
 
Walt said:
Wow, that is cheap compared to building a gas station, which costs about $2.4 million.

https://costhack.com/cost-to-build-a-gas-station/
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But that cost is privately made by the owner of the station. Additionally, to make things effective, you need just one gas station per area of service. With electric cars you need hundreds, possibly thousands, of charging stations to replace one large gas station. Commercial charging stations cost $5,000 to $10,000 each to purchase, plus installation costs. Let's say it's just $7,500 to put one in and get it working. That works out to about 320 charging stations equaling the cost of a gas station. If electric cars are the norm, you will need hundreds of charging stations to replace gas stations so the cost is a wash.

But, right now, charging station installation is being heavily subsidized by the government. That means the government is taking your and my money and giving it to companies to install the chargers. That's because companies know the charging stations are unprofitable and won't build them otherwise. So, instead of a network of commercial gas stations built on private money, we get a network of electric charging stations built on taxpayer dollars. That's utterly stupid.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
But that cost is privately made by the owner of the station. Additionally, to make things effective, you need just one gas station per area of service. With electric cars you need hundreds, possibly thousands, of charging stations to replace one large gas station. Commercial charging stations cost $5,000 to $10,000 each to purchase, plus installation costs. Let's say it's just $7,500 to put one in and get it working. That works out to about 320 charging stations equaling the cost of a gas station. If electric cars are the norm, you will need hundreds of charging stations to replace gas stations so the cost is a wash.

But, right now, charging station installation is being heavily subsidized by the government. That means the government is taking your and my money and giving it to companies to install the chargers. That's because companies know the charging stations are unprofitable and won't build them otherwise. So, instead of a network of commercial gas stations built on private money, we get a network of electric charging stations built on taxpayer dollars. That's utterly stupid.
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No you do not. You need electricity in your home. I have never, ever used a charger that was not mine. My son tops his off at restaurants. The expressway ones are being installed for people on long trips.
 
Into the Night said:
It does not cost $2.4 million to build a gas station. False authority fallacy.
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I gave a link. I am sure you can do it for less in some locations, but also in many locations it will cost more. $2.4 million is a reasonable estimate.

The solution is usually renting... But still someone needs to chip in a lot of money for a gas station to exist. We forget that when we complain about the much cheaper charging stations.
 
Nordberg said:
No you do not. You need electricity in your home. I have never, ever used a charger that was not mine. My son tops his off at restaurants. The expressway ones are being installed for people on long trips.
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So? The charging stations are being installed. Whether YOU use them or not is irrelevant to their being installed everywhere because that's how it has to be with crappy battery cars.
 
Nordberg said:
They are far superior to ICEs. You are stuck on primal ooze.
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How? They're:

More expensive to buy
More expensive to repair
More expensive to insure
Unreliable by current standards
Have little long-term service life. Once the battery dies, it's pretty much all she wrote
They have terrible towing and load capacity
Their charging times are longer

So, in what way(s) are battery cars better?
 
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Nordberg said:
No you do not. You need electricity in your home. I have never, ever used a charger that was not mine. My son tops his off at restaurants. The expressway ones are being installed for people on long trips.
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So you don't drive much. Why not just use a bicycle?

EVs are impractical for long trips. They take too long to charge.
 
Walt said:
I gave a link. I am sure you can do it for less in some locations, but also in many locations it will cost more. $2.4 million is a reasonable estimate.

The solution is usually renting... But still someone needs to chip in a lot of money for a gas station to exist. We forget that when we complain about the much cheaper charging stations.
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You are attempting a proof by randU. You can't prove anything with random numbers.
 
Nordberg said:
They are far superior to ICEs. You are stuck on primal ooze.
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Then go buy one. Waste your time constantly looking around for charging stations and charging your car. Your time is obviously not worth much to you.

* Gasoline cars don't take hours to refuel.
* Gasoline cars are a lot cheaper to buy.
* Gasoline cars have better resale value.
 
Stringfellow Hawk said:
REALITY CHECK: At a neighborhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbor, a BC Hydro Executive. I asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got serious "If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, you have to face certain realities."

"For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service. The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approximately 25 homes), the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a single Tesla each. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded. This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our residential infrastructure cannot bear the load."

So, as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with expensive new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire delivery system! This later "investment" will not be revealed until we're so far down this deadend road that it will be presented with an 'OOPS...!' and a shrug.

Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors and he writes, "For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine." Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles.

It will take you 4.5 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip, your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.

According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned, so I looked up what I pay for electricity.

I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 Mpg = $0.10 per mile.

The gasoline powered car costs about $25,000 while the Volt costs $46,000 plus. So, the Government wants us to pay twice as much for a car, that costs more than seven times as much to run and takes three times longer to drive across the country.

WAKE UP NORTH AMERICA!!!!!!!
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My EV does not require anything but a regular plug. I pay $.11 a kilowatt hour, and get $.09/mile.

My old car was $.22/mile using gas at $3.60 a gallon.
 
Jarod said:
My EV does not require anything but a regular plug. I pay $.11 a kilowatt hour, and get $.09/mile.

My old car was $.22/mile using gas at $3.60 a gallon.
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That means since the average EV costs about $19,000 more than a ICE vehicle the breakeven point comes at about 172,000 miles on costs. (19,000 /.11)
 
Into the Night said:
So you don't drive much. Why not just use a bicycle?

EVs are impractical for long trips. They take too long to charge.
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Define much. We drive every day. But rarely more than 50 miles. The rest of America drives less than 50 a day. GM did an exhaustive study before they made the Volt. For close by shopping, I walk. A mile for 2 is no big deal.
 
Jarod said:
My EV does not require anything but a regular plug. I pay $.11 a kilowatt hour, and get $.09/mile.

My old car was $.22/mile using gas at $3.60 a gallon.
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You are failing to account the cost of purchasing an EV, and your time is obviously not worth the time it takes to charge your car.
 
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