Reality check on electric cars

Hawkeye10 said:
It seems like the one place where toy cars are working is China....which has cheaper cars, better cars, and a better charger network.
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It's not working there either. Even in China, they aren't selling. Seems the government hasn't yet figured out that money velocity in China is almost nil. Not even the threat of the 'gulag' is going to to make them spend money they don't want to spend.
 
Nordberg said:
The US is making lots of EVs. They have invested in several huge battery plants with innovation involved.
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The potential for massive advances in battery technology could really be spurred with a bulked up EV market. There's some really interesting technologies being explored right now.

The uptake of EV's, while not a perfect solution for everyone, is still going to be a great technology boon to the US.
 
gfm7175 said:
Nope. China doesn't innovate; they simply steal the ideas of others.
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I've always heard that China doesn't innovate, but I don't trust that to be the case forever. Right now China is acting as the world's factory but there are a lot of really smart folks in China and they are humans. Humans innovate. It's kind of our thing.

China will, one day if we stay on the current path we are on, dominate the planet much as we do. Right now they are actually laying the groundwork for this with their "Belt and Road" initiative. They are doing what the colonialists should have done and actually building up poorer regions generating a lot of good will and connection to China. They are doing it all relatively quietly.

Sure they have an iron fist in that velvet glove but they are setting themselves up to knock us off the pedestal.
 
Lionfish said:
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I'm not entirely certain I understand this post. How does buying gasoline make you "free" while using electricity means you are controlled? Are you suggesting that just regular folks are able to go out and drill for their own oil and brew up some gasoline in the kitchen to drive their cars with? Or is there something else I'm missing.

Also on the matter of "pocket full of cash", unless you mean a pocket full of gold bars you are still using a "controlled" currency. You can't make your own and have to work to get the cash.

If you could explain this to me it would be much appreciated.
 
Daylight63 said:
I'm not entirely certain I understand this post. How does buying gasoline make you "free" while using electricity means you are controlled? Are you suggesting that just regular folks are able to go out and drill for their own oil and brew up some gasoline in the kitchen to drive their cars with? Or is there something else I'm missing.

Also on the matter of "pocket full of cash", unless you mean a pocket full of gold bars you are still using a "controlled" currency. You can't make your own and have to work to get the cash.

If you could explain this to me it would be much appreciated.
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Ask the protest truckers in Canada, they will explain it to you.
 
Nordberg said:
The right is anti-science, anti-progress and anti-government.
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That tracks. I wonder if this is an effect one expects from a sufficiently advanced technological society that the technology and the science start advancing so fast that it pushes too hard on people's normal reticence to change. This would lead to a backlash against progress and science. Since we are a nation that has had about 250 years of a fraught relationship with the idea of being a SINGLE country rather than 50 associated states, the role of the Federal government has also grown which upsets that streak of "islands unto ourselves" concept in our collective personality as a nation.

So I guess some of this makes sense for the Conservative side to lean anti-science and anti-progress and anti-government. It's too much too fast for them and they are like the comfortable house cat who thinks it could survive in the cold outside.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Wow... Just WOW. What a bunch of nonsense.


Actually the average home with air conditioning is equipped with a 200 amp service. But even a 100 amp service can deliver 75 amps. So this claim is nonsense to begin with. Then it claims that the electrical grid can only deliver 225 amps to 25 homes that are wired to be able to use 2500 amps? An air conditioner is usually rated for 30-50 amps. Let's assume the 25 homes have 30 amp air conditioners. If all the homes were running air conditioners at the same time it would require 750 amps. Almost 3 times the requirement for 3 Teslas. The Teslas wouldn't be charging during the heat of the day when all those air conditioners would be running.

So now we are going to ignore the Teslas and move to a hybrid. The entire point of the reserve engine is that you don't need to charge the battery to keep driving. It wouldn't take 14.5 hours to take a road trip. When you have to fill up the gas tank, you simply get back on the road. Your average speed in a Volt would be 60mph if you drove 60mph. You don't have to charge the battery when you fill up the tank with gas. How much of an idiot is the person making this claim? They stopped making the Volt in 2019 and it's range had more than doubled by that time. In fact the stats they are using for the Volt are from the initial 2011 version of it.

Since we already know you can't do math, let's examine this idiocy. The average cost per kwh is not $1.16 anywhere in the country. The highest cost for kwh in the lower 48 states is about 21 cents. https://www.electricrate.com/electricity-rates-by-state/ So this claim starts off by a factor of 5 at least. But the average cost for the US is actually about 13 cents. 16 x .21 = $3.36 at most to charge the battery and the average is actually 16 x .13 = $2.08. So the cost per mile is at most .13 per mile and more likely to be about .08 per mile. Funny thing, 8 cents per mile is less than 10 cents per mile.

If you were paying $1.16 per kwh, your average electrical bill would be in the neighborhood of $1000 per month. I do love your idiocy since that would mean you were paying almost as much for electricity that you are for your mortgage.

I guess that explains why you will always be poor and stupid, MAGA. You make so many errors that only a fool would believe what you posted.
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The dishonesty of you haters is palpable. EV drivers do not need full charges. They do not run an EV until it is empty. Do you run out of gas in your ICE regularly? My car recharges at night when I sleep. It requires about 2 seconds of thought. When I get out of the car I plug the charger in. That is it. I do not look for gas stations. notice the pricing or take time to refill ,stinking my hands up.
DTE sent ne a letter describing the best time for them for me to charge the car. It is cheaper after 7.
People top off the charge. It never is near empty. My electric bill is no way close to what my gasoline costs. when I had an ICE.
People drive about 35 miles a day. That blows your absurd calculations designed to produce false numbers to hell. It is equivalent to me saying you have to refill your car from empty every day. Just think about how stupid that is. That is what your post is...stupid.
 
Daylight63 said:
I'm not entirely certain I understand this post. How does buying gasoline make you "free" while using electricity means you are controlled? Are you suggesting that just regular folks are able to go out and drill for their own oil and brew up some gasoline in the kitchen to drive their cars with? Or is there something else I'm missing.

Also on the matter of "pocket full of cash", unless you mean a pocket full of gold bars you are still using a "controlled" currency. You can't make your own and have to work to get the cash.

If you could explain this to me it would be much appreciated.
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I go places like this:

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That's like a nearly 200 mile round trip from where I live and about 30 miles of it is up and back this road:

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One of many places I like to go in the quite literally, Middle of Nowhere. I can carry extra gasoline, I can't charge an EV along something like 98% of the route.

So, maybe if you live in a city, never or rarely venture deep into the countryside, you can make an EV work for you. My biggest issue is that the government is forcing them on us, rather than letting the market decide. Yet, the market has decided, and in the US maybe 10% of the population is fine with an EV.

Interestingly, EV's were no more popular over 100 years ago, and in places like New York City there were thousands of charging stations for them! Yep, cars like the Baker Electric were available and they got trounced in the market by ICE vehicles.
 
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