Into the Night
Verified User
Batteries aren't power generation. Less than 1% of the cars on the road are EVs.
Reality check on electric cars
- Thread starter Stringfellow Hawk
- Start date
How crude oil found in this planet is formed is a matter of great debate.
Into the Night
Verified User
A Subaru engine weighs 300 lbs, wet (filled with oil and coolant). A battery pack on a Tesla Model 3 weighs about 1060 lbs, dry (no coolant).
A Ford F150 Ecoboost truck engine (capable of 400HP stock) weighs 499 lbs, dry. The weight of a Cybertruck battery is 1590 lbs.
Gasoline cars are lighter and far more efficient than EVs.
Daylight63
Verified User
Not really. Not at all, actually.
We know what it is from biomarkers which show it came from algae or bacterial materials. We understand catagenesis and diagenesis pretty well. We've characterized the maturation curves of the various types of organic materials and we know pretty much how they break down. We even see the tell-tale bits and pieces like pristane and phytane after they have broken down.
We can dig up the shales that act as the SOURCE rock and characterize the organics in that (I did that personally for a couple years) and can see how it accumulates in reservoir rock.
There's very little that is TRULY up for debate.
Into the Night
Verified User
Adding power plants is only part of it, dude. You have to expand the transmission lines and all the intervening equipment (such as switches and transformers) as well.
BTW, nuclear power uses non-renewable fuel. Both oil and natural gas are renewable fuels.
Daylight63
Verified User
They may be lighter but an ICE engine is far less efficient than an electric motor.
Into the Night
Verified User
It really is amazing the technology improvements that have occurred in gasoline cars (EVs run on 1980's technology!). The modern FADEC engine achieves efficiencies up to 40%, are lighter, more reliable, and produce more horsepower for a given engine size!
Into the Night
Verified User
Quite right. A SINGLE battery damaged in an accident totals the car, which MUST be disposed of as flammable waste.
Daylight63
Verified User
Engines aren't engines. Mantra 401b. Lame
Fallacy of the Taint-munching Flub Bucket.
Daylight63
Verified User
FLAMMABLE WASTE???????
WOW! I can't IMAGINE wanting to drive a car that has something FLAMMABLE IN IT!!!!!
YIKES!!!!!!!!
Into the Night
Verified User
They cost a fuck ton to insure as well! Then, there's the 'convenience' of waiting for hours while your car charges.No shit?
And the batteries are a known fire hazard, and an insurer will write off an EV that's been in a fender bender (or gotten wet) because of the risk that the batteries might be damaged. They cost a fuck ton to replace.
Navigating the Surge: How Insurers Can Stay Ahead of Electric Vehicle (EV) Risks
How do electric vehicles (EVs) perform compared to gas and hybrid models? Verisk examines the risk factors as EV adoption grows.core.verisk.com
The Rising Insurance Costs of Electric Vehicles: A Specialized Challenge
Electric vehicles are quickly becoming a mainstay in the automotive industry. However, as their adoption grows, so too does the scrutiny around the costwww.claimsjournal.com
Daylight63
Verified User
Into the Night
Verified User
Not really. The Fischer-Tropsche process is well known and has been since WW1. The same conditions occur naturally underground.
Oil can be found anywhere you care to drill if you go deep enough.
It is nearest the surface at the edges of tectonic plates, particularly where spreading or sliding action is occurring.
Daylight63
Verified User
Processes aren't "well known". WW1 wasn't a thing. Conditions don't exist underground.
Fallacy of the Sputum Sucking Cock Whore. Mantra 5002A lame.
Into the Night
Verified User
There is no such thing as a 'biomarker'.
Oil is found well below any algae or bacteria or even any fossil layer.
There's that Marxist 'we' again! You don't speak for everyone, Sybil.
You are making shit up again, Sybil. Buzzword fallacies. A hydrocarbon IS organic material. It doesn't 'break down'.
Oil can be found anywhere you care to drill for it.
You are making shit up again, Sybil. You are ignoring chemistry now.
IBDaMann
Well-known member
... because it was, and is, a common misconception to believe that the earth's supply of hydrocarbons is somehow a fixed quanitity, having been created hundreds of millions of years ago. It turns out that the earth manufactures hydrocarbons in massive quantities continuously through natural geological activity, via the Fischer-Tropsh process/synthesis, from the abundant carbon and hydrogen in the earth's crust and mantle. Hydrocarbons do not require millions of years to form, but only require hours, given the right conditions, which occur naturally at the edges of tectonic plates.
They aren't reserves. They are wells of hydrocarbons fabricated via the Fischer-Tropsh synthesis by the earth through normal geological activity.
Lithium is different. It is a fixed quantity. I don't know how much there is but the cost of recovery will increase and reserves will be depleted.
Daylight63
Verified User
Hmmmnm, interesting points you pulled out of your anus, there, Dr. Paraphiliac.
Let me counter with THIS:
Into the Night
Verified User
WRONG. EVs use almost twice the energy to move the same distance as a similar sized gasoline car.
EVs are NOT 'Zero Emission Cars' either.
Power plants typically burn some type of fuel to run their generators. That has waste heat which must be passed to the cold section of the engine.
The generator also generates waste heat, due to eddy currents in the core. Generators are cooled for this reason.
The transformers are also generating waste heat, and must be cooled (they are oil cooled, using fans and radiators).
The transmission line loses energy all the way along the line due to leakage and waste heat (current in any wire heats the wire).
The substation transformers also generate waste heat and are oil cooled.
The distribution lines also produce waste heat, even more per mile than the transmission lines did (due to higher current for the power transmitted).
The pole transformer also generates waste heat and must be oil cooled (by convection this time).
Charging a battery or discharging a battery heats it. The EV battery is liquid cooled for this reason (water-glycol...which should be changed from time to time!).
The motor also generates waste heat when it runs. It's oil cooled (you DO need to change that oil from time to time!) using an internal pump and radiator.
It's more efficient to simply burn the gasoline in the car to move the car. The waste heat from the engine can be used to heat the cabin, and the rest is transferred to the cold section of the engine (exhaust system and tailpipe). Gasoline cars are much lighter as well, have greater power, and greater towing capacity (no heavy battery to cart around!).
Today's FADEC engines can achieve an efficiency approaching 40%. That's damn good...FAR better than an EV with it's support system to charge the battery! The gasoline engine can be refueled in just a few minutes as well, effectively giving the vehicle infinite range (since you can carry extra gasoline with you if you need to!).
Gasoline vehicles work FAR better in harsh conditions as well, such as cold environments, very hot environments, or into remote areas and off road.
Daylight63
Verified User
Hilarious! Fischer Tropsch is NOTHING like how natural oil is formed. NOT EVEN CLOSE.
