Reality vs. trump supporters

rjhenn said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Ahh, but you left out state organizations of their individual militias. they would fall into your second category. A brief history/explanation:https://legal-dictionary.thefreedict.../State+militia
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Not really. Legitimate state militias are part of the National Guard.

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Wrong. There are legitimate militias recognized by the state....belonging to one requires one to follow specific rules and regulations. FYI, from the conservative Heritage Foundation: https://www.heritage.org/homeland-s...ia-state-defense-forces-and-homeland-security
 
Daddyo said:
It doesn't matter what you think. The supreme court ruled it an individual right. After trumps reelection the court will be logical constitutionalists for decades.

Our founders intent is crystal clear. They wanted the people to have access to and carry firearms. I have quote after quote proving it AND half a sentance in the amendment SAYING it.
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Hows your well-trained militia meetings?
 
Daddyo said:
Unfortunately for you your argument lacks one key ingredient.....PROOF. That's why they tried collusion then obstruction. Quid pro quo then bribery then obstruction and abuse of power. Hell your peeps have even used a debate sarcastic joke when trump asked russia for Hillary's subpoenaed emails that she wiped. He was saying it because it was suspected that those email were compromised to our enemy because of the unsecure server. He was making a point. You psychos turn it into a legit collusion attempt like the bias morons that you are.

Funny that your traitorous henchmen started spying long before trump became president yet found nothing. Before trump was even elected AND before he could manipulate evidence which is a current charge as to why there is no real evidence.

Now comey has admitted to 17 acts of bias deception of the FISA system to get the warrant to SPY on a political opponent. And you are worried about russia. Hypocrites! These are facts by the way.
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Who is they? That is very Trumpian. Exactly who used collusion and why did that person represent all the left? It is logical and factual that Trump's people colluded. Manafort was providing polling data regularly to Russians. However, that interaction is not defined as a crime called collusion. It is called interference. Just a difference in nomenclature.
6 Trumpies are in jail for the Russian interference that they participated in. Another 20 Russians were indicted. It was a big illegal and immoral operation.
 
Daddyo said:
Unfortunately for you your argument lacks one key ingredient.....PROOF. That's why they tried collusion then obstruction. Quid pro quo then bribery then obstruction and abuse of power. Hell your peeps have even used a debate sarcastic joke when trump asked russia for Hillary's subpoenaed emails that she wiped. He was saying it because it was suspected that those email were compromised to our enemy because of the unsecure server. He was making a point. You psychos turn it into a legit collusion attempt like the bias morons that you are.

Funny that your traitorous henchmen started spying long before trump became president yet found nothing. Before trump was even elected AND before he could manipulate evidence which is a current charge as to why there is no real evidence.

Now comey has admitted to 17 acts of bias deception of the FISA system to get the warrant to SPY on a political opponent. And you are worried about russia. Hypocrites! These are facts by the way.
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Facts, or just more right-wing lies? The right has been lying constantly for years. Why should anyone who hasn't been brainwashed believe anything that comes from the right? Mueller documented plenty of evidence of collusion. And plenty of evidence of obstruction. And, of course, you never back up any of your claims with PROOF.

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Nordberg said:
Hows your well-trained militia meetings?
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Your lack of knowledge of English grammar is showing. The prefatory clause does not modify the main clause. All it does is present a justification for the main clause.

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Nordberg said:
Who is they? That is very Trumpian. Exactly who used collusion and why did that person represent all the left? It is logical and factual that Trump's people colluded. Manafort was providing polling data regularly to Russians. However, that interaction is not defined as a crime called collusion. It is called interference. Just a difference in nomenclature.
6 Trumpies are in jail for the Russian interference that they participated in. Another 20 Russians were indicted. It was a big illegal and immoral operation.
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They are the demonrat operatives. Heads of the FBI, CIA, DOJ, and players like page and strzok. Mueller and the 17 liberal lawyers also part of THEY. Now they must include the demonrat traitors in the house.

But as bad as it has been for our country he will be reelected because of it so I must be thankful. All the good trump has done for the country could have been magnified with even some support from the traitors.

One sign that trump is gonna win is China. If they make a deal it's because they are very sure trump will win. If they don't they believe he will lose. Better deal for them from the spineless anti america socialist traitor demonrat that wins.
 
rjhenn said:
Facts, or just more right-wing lies? The right has been lying constantly for years. Why should anyone who hasn't been brainwashed believe anything that comes from the right? Mueller documented plenty of evidence of collusion. And plenty of evidence of obstruction. And, of course, you never back up any of your claims with PROOF.

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So you argue here without even having seen Comey admitting on tv that he was wrong? Seriously? He said that they made 17 "mistakes" in the FISA warrant process to spy on trump. Of course all those " mistakes" went against trump. They included Comey using the dossier when he knew is was bogus and not giving the court exculpatory evidence such as carter page working FOR the CIA.

Debating you is like fist fighting a paraplegic. You can't be that lame.

Btw you will likely say that there is no proof of political motivation lol. When you think that refer back to all the leaps and assumptions you make about trump and apply a tiny pinch of that thinking.
 
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Daddyo said:
So you argue here without even having seen Comey admitting on tv that he was wrong? Seriously? He said that they made 17 "mistakes" in the FISA warrant process to spy on trump. Of course all those " mistakes" went against trump. They included Comey using the dossier when he knew is was bogus and not giving the court exculpatory evidence such as carter page working FOR the CIA.

Debating you is like fist fighting a paraplegic. You can't be that lame.

Btw you will likely say that there is no proof of political motivation lol. When you think that refer back to all the leaps and assumptions you make about trump and apply a tiny pinch of that thinking.
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Your usual paranoia. Comey did not say that they made 17 mistakes. He said the inspector general's report claimed that there were 17 mistakes. That's Trump's henchman Barr's Inspector general, so not to be trusted. As for political motivation, that same report said that there was no evidence of any. Did the FBI know that Page was working for the CIA?

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Daddyo said:
They are the demonrat operatives. Heads of the FBI, CIA, DOJ, and players like page and strzok. Mueller and the 17 liberal lawyers also part of THEY. Now they must include the demonrat traitors in the house.

But as bad as it has been for our country he will be reelected because of it so I must be thankful. All the good trump has done for the country could have been magnified with even some support from the traitors.

One sign that trump is gonna win is China. If they make a deal it's because they are very sure trump will win. If they don't they believe he will lose. Better deal for them from the spineless anti america socialist traitor demonrat that wins.
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Your usual paranoid conspiracy theory. What good has Trump done for the country? Most of the good economic news is just a continuation of trends established before the 2016 election. His trade war with China has harmed large sectors of the economy. He's increasing the debt faster than Obama did, just to make the 1% even richer than everyone else. He's accomplished nothing about North Korea. He's managed to alienate many of our allies and has demonstrated to the world that we can't be trusted, at least not while Trump is President. There's only one issue that I think Trump is currently better than the Democrats on and he could take the opposite stance in a heartbeat. Just because.

The true traitors are those like you who would put Trump above the Constitution.

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rjhenn said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Wrong. There are legitimate militias recognized by the state....belonging to one requires one to follow specific rules and regulations. FYI, from the conservative Heritage Foundation: https://www.heritage.org/homeland-se...eland-security
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With, based on your link, an average strength of 608.

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And your point? Remember, the point of contention was whether they had to be legally recognized by the State, and not just any yahoo with a gun with like minded neighbors declaring themselves a militia whenever the damn well please.
 
Daddyo said:
It doesn't matter what you think. The supreme court ruled it an individual right. After trumps reelection the court will be logical constitutionalists for decades.

Our founders intent is crystal clear. They wanted the people to have access to and carry firearms. I have quote after quote proving it AND half a sentance in the amendment SAYING it.
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The author’s intent was crystal clear. He included a conscientious objector clause. Clearly, military in intent.

SCOTUS also ruled that limitations and regulation of firearms is constitutional.
 
Taichiliberal said:
And your point? Remember, the point of contention was whether they had to be legally recognized by the State, and not just any yahoo with a gun with like minded neighbors declaring themselves a militia whenever the damn well please.
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Funny, but contemporary quotes, as well as current federal law, state that almost all male citizens, with a few exceptions, and a few females, are the militia.
You also don't seem to know the meaning of "well regulated". Hint: it's got nothing to do with rules and regulations. Try reading The Federalist Papers No. 29, Hamilton, Alexander. "Concerning the Militia".

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Daddyo said:
They are the demonrat operatives. Heads of the FBI, CIA, DOJ, and players like page and strzok. Mueller and the 17 liberal lawyers also part of THEY. Now they must include the demonrat traitors in the house.

But as bad as it has been for our country he will be reelected because of it so I must be thankful. All the good trump has done for the country could have been magnified with even some support from the traitors.

One sign that trump is gonna win is China. If they make a deal it's because they are very sure trump will win. If they don't they believe he will lose. Better deal for them from the spineless anti america socialist traitor demonrat that wins.
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Everyone you mentioned are lifetime Republicunts. The FBI workers and leaders are overwhelmingly Repubs. They' re a bastion of conservatism. They just seen Trump as dangerous and unlawful. Anyone not trapped in his cult can see that too.
 
Since you're citing Vol. I of the Mueller Report, be complete: Muller found insufficient proof of "coordinaion" because witnesses lied, destroyed evidence or used encryption to make electronic messaging impossible to decipher. Mueller also found that members of Komrad trump's team "welcomed" Russian help.
 
Daddyo said:
Because you say so lol. No proof of a crime in multiple attempts to do so from multiple directions, with multiple millions, using all the powers of government even BEFORE TRUMP WAS IN OFFICE, but you are right because you say so.

I love the liberal slap fight going on over the 2nd amendment. Funny that the one issue that the liberal agrees with the conservative the winning liberal has provided proof that militias consisted of the people. But your focus on militia completely ignoring the rest of the sentence giving the people the right as well.
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Of course, everything you're saying about Trump applies even more to Hillary. But I'd bet that you were one of those screaming "Lock her up". Trump has been a crook and a con artist his entire life. He thinks that he's above the law, including the Constitution. It's the control freak who's focused on the militia. I'm just pointing out that he doesn't have any argument there, either. Even more basic, there's never been a gun control law that has been demonstrated to have made things better. But control freaks are so paranoid about guns that they can't even consider anything else.

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Daddyo said:
I worked for wages for over 30 years. Not one time was I an envious crybaby blaming my bosses for my plight in life. Instead I worked hard, learned the business, saved my money, allowed my family to grow older and self sufficient, and then I took my chance risking all i had saved/ worked for. Thankfully its worked out so far. I find it humiliating and sad to have your mindset on work. It's often the mindset of the incapable or unwilling. The lazy and undisciplined. Easy to blame others for your short comings. Typical liberal mindset.
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Typical tactic by the exploiter, placing the blame on others. Jesus would be very disappointed in you.

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rjhenn said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
And your point? Remember, the point of contention was whether they had to be legally recognized by the State, and not just any yahoo with a gun with like minded neighbors declaring themselves a militia whenever the damn well please.
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Funny, but contemporary quotes, as well as current federal law, state that almost all male citizens, with a few exceptions, and a few females, are the militia.
You also don't seem to know the meaning of "well regulated". Hint: it's got nothing to do with rules and regulations. Try reading The Federalist Papers No. 29, Hamilton, Alexander. "Concerning the Militia".

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Try dealing with the FACT that much of went down in the Federalist Papers didn't come down in the final draft of the Constitution in a myriad of ways. Like it or not, individual STATES have rules and regulations as to the existence of a "militia" outside to the National Guard. Also, there were RULES regarding the "well regulated" weapons used when a militia was called into existence. Like it or not, RULES & REGULATION were and are part of a militia and pivotal in the 2nd Amendment. What is and what you want to be don't jibe in the reality of the current world of law, state and federal.
 
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