Republican and Neolibertarian Gun Excuse Refuted....

So by your logic.... Should everybody be carrying assault rifles...

Because you know these wacko shooters are all using assault rifles...So therefore armed civilians should be also carrying assault rifles just so they can have a fair firefight...

Instead of having a puny handgun against a shooter with an assault rifle....

So lets arm all civilians with assault rifles..Agreed?

CK
 
I do not want to own anyone.

Plus I am for reasonable gun control, but only reasonable gun control, felons, people under restraining order, mentally unstable. (that might include all those who voted for bush in 2006) should not be allowed weapons.
 
CanadianKid said:
Your logic is we should have everybody armed as this dissuades killers from shooting many people to death because they themselves would be shot and killed first...

So therefore you think that criminals should be executed because they might also commit crimes after they serve their sentence...

Explained. Thanks for coming out...

CK
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WRL owned.
 
uscitizen said:
I do not want to own anyone.

Plus I am for reasonable gun control, but only reasonable gun control, felons, people under restraining order, mentally unstable. (that might include all those who voted for bush in 2006) should not be allowed weapons.
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Well reasonable gun control didnt stop this church member...or the Virginia shooter....or Columbine.....

Ya "reasonable" gun control....BS....

I'm glad USC your getting your talking points from the NRA...

CK
 
See this is the difference between Lieberman Democrats and liberals....

Lieberman Democrats want "reasonable" gun control that obviously hasnt worked, is not working and will not work in the future....

CK
 
CanadianKid said:
Well reasonable gun control didnt stop this church member...or the Virginia shooter....or Columbine.....

Ya "reasonable" gun control....BS....

I'm glad USC your getting your talking points from the NRA...

CK
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yes it did stop the church shooter. The woman was allowed to carry a concealed weapon and stop him with it.
 
Lieberman Democrats are all about trying to compromise with the conservatives...Trying to suck up to Bush and Co...

Lieberman Democrats think that making deals with the devil is better than not making deals at all....

Selling your soul for a few bread crumbs and used toilet paper...

God I love Lieberman Democrats...

CK
 
WRL said:
how did you get that out of what I said, I clearly said had she been forbidden to carry a firearm, as a civilian, this, from all informed sources at this point, would have been a massacre. He had a lot of ammo I'm hearing, body armor. He came there to shock the nation far more than he actually accomplished by our civilian right to carry firearms.

That doesn't in anyway translate into mandatory executions, in fact I believe the opposite, I believe prisons should teach vocational skills, educate, give a person who has a chance at another shot, the ability to have another path, other than right back where he came from. The prison system today is designed as a warehouse, not toward rehabilitation.
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Well said.
 
uscitizen said:
yes it did stop the church shooter. The woman was allowed to carry a concealed weapon and stop him with it.
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Umm....5 dead and 5 injured is not "stopping" the gunman....

Try again.... I love your low standards....

So you know 3500 US soldiers died in Iraq must be a success...cause it wasnt 5000....

Awesome excuse USC...

CK
 
Its lame excuses like this that make me detest Lieberman Democrats almost as much as Neolibertarians....

Neolibertarians have no principles.... Lieberman Democrats have no balls....

Thats why in some instances I have more respect for conservatives that stick to their guns....

CK
 
Gun control advocates in the US are well-meaning but totally misguided. There are so many weapons in private hands in the US that gun control isn't possible. Now I'm not an American and I don't live there so, as my mate in Tx says, "I ain't got a dog in this hunt" so I usually stay out of it (but I will take on the CCW fantasists who think that the Omaha mall shooter could have been taken out by a CCW citizen, but that's another topic).

Anyway, about the best that can be achieved is some sort of regulation. But you know, with the amount of private firearms in the US it's a wonder there aren't incidents like this every day. There are enough accidental shootings but that's what you get in a country where you have more firearms than you have people - but that's the way it is and I'm not going to criticise it. Fact is there are a lot of people in the US who own firearms and store them securely and use them responsibly so that's the sort of approach that should be encouraged as a form of harm minimisation.
 
So Diuretic....Just a question....

Should the US population all get training with guns.... In this case everybody knows how to use them.... So therefore a mad gunman if he starts shooting would be quickly killed by a trained shooter...

What is your views on that?

CK
 
CanadianKid said:
Damocles misses the point ONCE AGAIN...

Its not the fact that he knew they were armed or not...

It was the fact that there was a possibility that they were armed....This should have dissuaded him from attacking the church IF Republican logic works...

But even with the possiblity of him getting into a shootout he still went and go on a shooting spree....

Therefore Damocles and Republican NRA apologists OWNED...


AGAIN

CK
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Wow. Churches regularly have armed guards there? I know they don't here. This one did. It was fortunate for those that went there.

The likelihood of him thinking they had armed guards is almost perfectly nil. I wouldn't have known it.

The likelihood of there being another attack there without taking that into consideration, also almost nil.
 
CanadianKid said:
The fact that there were armed guards didnt make him rationally think to NOT go shooting....

Thats the fake strawman that Republican apologists like to use...

CK
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there are 13 well conducted studies that show that somewhere between 800,000 and 2.5 million people per year use fire arms to successfully defend themselves from becoming the victim of a crime.( http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html ) People like CK and Topper would have those people be victims so that a significantly smaller group of people "would not be murdered" by firearms. I have successfully used a gun to defend myself and family members from victimization.

There are approximately 235 million guns in the US right now. This number has TRIPLED in the last 40 years. There is no rational relation between the number of private guns in the US and the murder by firearm rate. NONE. The leap that people who are opposed to guns want us all to take is that if gun ownership in the United States was illegal, there would be no firearms deaths in the United State. A proposal that is absolutely baseless. The ONLY thing you would insure is that guns would be sold illegally on the black market just like drugs are now and alcohol was.

There are aproximately 100,000 accidental deaths per year in the US. Of those about 40-45,000 are deaths by automobile. about 1100 per year are by firearm. There are 18,000 suicides and 14,000 murders a year involving firearms. All these figures are easily obtained from the CDC on line, that is my source you go prove me wrong.

Compare that number of ALL deaths from firearms and compare to the number of firearms owned in the US. +/- 33,000 deaths of all kinds by firearms in a country with just under one gun per person and if you factor in kids it is probably close to one gun per adult in the US. Then factor in that 800,000 to 2.5 million successfull defensive gun uses in the United States. The gun is a safe and effective tool that is SOMETIMES misused by a small number of people.

CK's post is nothing but pure gut level, anti intellectual, emotion.
 
Socrtease said:
there are 13 well conducted studies that show that somewhere between 800,000 and 2.5 million people per year use fire arms to successfully defend themselves from becoming the victim of a crime.( http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.html ) People like CK and Topper would have those people be victims so that a significantly smaller group of people "would not be murdered" by firearms. I have successfully used a gun to defend myself and family members from victimization.

There are approximately 235 million guns in the US right now. This number has TRIPLED in the last 40 years. There is no rational relation between the number of private guns in the US and the murder by firearm rate. NONE. The leap that people who are opposed to guns want us all to take is that if gun ownership in the United States was illegal, there would be no firearms deaths in the United State. A proposal that is absolutely baseless. The ONLY thing you would insure is that guns would be sold illegally on the black market just like drugs are now and alcohol was.

There are aproximately 100,000 accidental deaths per year in the US. Of those about 40-45,000 are deaths by automobile. about 1100 per year are by firearm. There are 18,000 suicides and 14,000 murders a year involving firearms. All these figures are easily obtained from the CDC on line, that is my source you go prove me wrong.

Compare that number of ALL deaths from firearms and compare to the number of firearms owned in the US. +/- 33,000 deaths of all kinds by firearms in a country with just under one gun per person and if you factor in kids it is probably close to one gun per adult in the US. Then factor in that 800,000 to 2.5 million successfull defensive gun uses in the United States. The gun is a safe and effective tool that is SOMETIMES misused by a small number of people.

CK's post is nothing but pure gut level, anti intellectual, emotion.
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So Socrtease should all civilians be trained in shooting and firearms?

This would dissuade wackos from going on shooting sprees because they know everybody else will shoot and kill them ASAP so therefore their lame attempts at murder will be vanquished...

CK
 
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murders-firearms-per-capita

Crime Statistics > Murders with firearms (per capita) (most recent) by country

Showing latest available data. Rank Countries Amount (top to bottom)
#1 South Africa: 0.719782 per 1,000 people
#2 Colombia: 0.509801 per 1,000 people
#3 Thailand: 0.312093 per 1,000 people
#4 Zimbabwe: 0.0491736 per 1,000 people
#5 Mexico: 0.0337938 per 1,000 people
#6 Belarus: 0.0321359 per 1,000 people
#7 Costa Rica: 0.0313745 per 1,000 people
#8 United States: 0.0279271 per 1,000 people
#9 Uruguay: 0.0245902 per 1,000 people
#10 Lithuania: 0.0230748 per 1,000 people
#11 Slovakia: 0.021543 per 1,000 people
#12 Czech Republic: 0.0207988 per 1,000 people
#13 Estonia: 0.0157539 per 1,000 people
#14 Latvia: 0.0131004 per 1,000 people
#15 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 0.0127139 per 1,000 people
#16 Bulgaria: 0.00845638 per 1,000 people
#17 Portugal: 0.00795003 per 1,000 people
#18 Slovenia: 0.00596718 per 1,000 people
#19 Switzerland: 0.00534117 per 1,000 people
#20 Canada: 0.00502972 per 1,000 people
#21 Germany: 0.00465844 per 1,000 people
#22 Moldova: 0.00448934 per 1,000 people
#23 Hungary: 0.00439692 per 1,000 people
#24 Poland: 0.0043052 per 1,000 people
#25 Ukraine: 0.00368109 per 1,000 people
#26 Ireland: 0.00298805 per 1,000 people
#27 Australia: 0.00293678 per 1,000 people
#28 Denmark: 0.00257732 per 1,000 people
#29 Spain: 0.0024045 per 1,000 people
#30 Azerbaijan: 0.00227503 per 1,000 people
#31 New Zealand: 0.00173482 per 1,000 people
#32 United Kingdom: 0.00102579 per 1,000 people

Enough said....

CK
 
And the thing is, those of us that own firearms are JUST AS OUTRAGED by these sort of random events as everyone is. But because we don't jump on the gun fraidy cat bandwagon we are heartless people that don't care about human life. It is the exact same argument used by the pro-life crowd to demonize the pro-choice people. We are told that if we support a womans right to choose a safe, legal medical procedure then we are heartless supporters of child murder. My grandmother was a nurse in the 30's in Okla fucking homa, one of the holes for the buckle of the bible belt. She said that the hospital she worked in in OKC got at least one woman a month suffering from complications from a botched kitchen abortion. Both groups rely on pure emotionalism and attempt to demonize those that support them by using inflamatory and baseless rhetoric. A pox on both your houses.
 
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