Beefy
Worst gambler ever
Of course thars what he's thinking, but we both know that's beside the point.
Republican Requires People to Have Health Care!!! OMG!
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Of course thars what he's thinking, but we both know that's beside the point.
TheDanold
Unimatrix
Also Romney is a Liberal, just a Liberal Republican from Mass. Who cares whether he adopts some Liberal Democrat policies on forcing people to pay for healthcare whether they want to or not? Are the Conservatives on here supposed to fall in love with him and follow along?
He's what's wrong with the Republican party.
He's what's wrong with the Republican party.
TheDanold
Unimatrix
He's a northeast Liberal Republican from Mass. He may try and portray himself as more Conservative to win the primary, but it's BS, same as Guillani.
Pro-gun control, growing government in healthcare and elsewhere.
He is a Liberal dumbass.
uscitizen
Villified User
Like the pill bill ?
uscitizen
Villified User
No, just Radical, all except R. Paul.Umm all republican candidates are liberal except Thompson and Paul.
You know he's going to win, I can't believe that you all are such deniers.
Yes they do. You are incredulous because you've been taught to be incredulous. Because "everybody knows" the goverment is inefficient and can't be trusted with anything.
But in fact, if you compare medicare to private insurers, the government is very efficient.
It's inevitable that he will win, look at all the threads!
Almost half the nation is already on government-paid for healthcare, and it seems to work pretty well. Not perfect. And it is run pretty efficiently, espeically when compared to the pentagon, defense contracting, and the iraq war.
I haven't read her plan yet. The reason I haven't read it is because i am that resistant to the idea of her as the nominee. I guess I am sort of avoiding the whole idea.
However, as far as making coverage mandatory, it is not what I would want. I want a single-payer, medicare for all basically. Like the French system, and as in France you could also purchase additional insurance if you are so financially situated and inclined.
However, we are not in this country, after the brain washing we have taken for decades, going to get to that in one leap. It is going to be incremental and that is just the facts, they must be accepted even by people such as myself who find them ludicrous. And because of this, we cannot let the perfect become the enemy of the good, to quote someone else. We will take what we can get, one step at a time, as more and more minds open, we will eventually get where we morally need to be.
No one need ever die because they have no money in this country. This to me, is a simple human truth. No one need ever die in the United states of America because they do not have money for a doctor. We will get there. And in getting there, we have to accept the less than perfect, fixing and expanding and changing it as we go along.
That is how they have always prevented us from getting to universal health care in this country. By setting up a strawman that implies there is any perfect system, or that we have anything close to a perfect system now. We do not. People are dying. Every day.
Pointing at something that is better, and that will save lives, and saying "It's not perfect!" is a red herring and a distraction and it cannot be allowed to work any longer.
No need to get angry. Medicare is as good or better than a lot of the HMO's people have through their employers. My step dad wouldn't have lived to the ripe old age he did, without VA healthcare. My stepgrandson and his parents couldn't have afforded immunizations and pediatrics, without MediCal. CHIPS program seems to work well for children.
Oh they are very easily suckered. You should have seen what two idiots named Harry and Louise convinced them of back a few years.
Epicurus
Reasonable
I am considerably more liberal than most of the people I interact with on a day-to-day basis. Prior to the 06 elections, I almost always sided with the board liberals in debates. After the elections, Rangel suggested reinstituting the draft. He withdrew his proposal after a couple of days, but for two eye-opening days I got to watch supposedly pro-peace, anti-authoritarian liberals trip over themselves trying to find ways to support the draft. Turns out Democrats, just like Republicans, are highly suspectible to Orwellian group think.
It was disgusting and shameful and I have had very little respect for them since.
I don't know who was tripping over themselves, you mean on the board? But, it's a subject that is debated a lot even at the grass roots level. It brings in race and class, and in fact, gender. If we had a draft now could you only draft men? No, I don't think so.
And if you drafted the middle and upper classes, and drafted girls, would you have wars? Well, unless you had ships on your horizon, I don't think so. Does that mean I'm for a draft? Not really, but, it's a really interesting discussion to have. You touch on pretty much everything when you go there.