Republicans Admit DEFEAT

Damocles said:
Only to Zappa. Even Obama apologized for "not being clear"... It was a flat lie. They knew people couldn't keep their insurance, that the rules "grandfathering" had to follow made it so that people would be immediately thrown on the far more costly, for most, exchange. Yet they continued to pump the lie, because they knew that most Americans were happy with their insurance and would not suffer the government to force them to change.

But thank the gods I'm now covered for pregnancy.
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Incorrect. It was the ins. companies that cancelled the policies that they no longer wanted to write.
 
Damocles said:
Thank god eight year old boys are now covered for pregnancy. It makes all our lives better to pay more for useless insurance.
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After decades of paying for Viagra/birth control/pregnancy, no matter your sex, you suddenly don't understand the concept of cost sharing?

You think this is something new? You think that older people paid proportionately higher premiums because they were a higher risk? You think those who took no meds, paid less for a prescription plan than those who took several meds?

Or are you just trying to spread misinformation?
 
Althea said:
Incorrect. It was the ins. companies that cancelled the policies that they no longer wanted to write.
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They either outright cancelled them or modified them just enough to void the "grandfathering" clause.

They then blamed the ACA for the cancellations and the average low information voter, several of which post here, bought into the insurance company narrative hook, line and sinker.
 
Damocles said:
Oh noes... rana disagrees with me. Thankfully, though past menopause, she too is covered and pays for coverage for her pregnancy.
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From Rana's article:

"In essence, what the Republican opponents of Obamacare are asking is for the law to permit men to be deadbeats and not have to pay for liability insurance for the pregnancies their actions directly cause"...

Making the man take some responsibility for the pregnancy they helped bring about...no wonder so many Righties are against the plan!
 
ZappasGuitar said:
From Rana's article:

"In essence, what the Republican opponents of Obamacare are asking is for the law to permit men to be deadbeats and not have to pay for liability insurance for the pregnancies their actions directly cause"...

Making the man take some responsibility for the pregnancy they helped bring about...no wonder so many Righties are against the plan!
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If that were the case, my wife wouldn't have been covered and I'd have never married. Neither of which was the case. I paid for the coverage because they were my kids and my family. If this were the actual reason for this then this is overkill and deliberately punishes all the people who have acted responsibly. Punishing people who do the right thing... always a good policy and probably one of the reasons why this program is so wildly popular.

None of the reasons this stuff was sold to us for has come to fruition, nor was it ever the goal. We may as well say "We the Mushrooms"... We're kept in the dark and fed sh*t.

Tell me... how many of these indestructible morons who don't pay have suddenly picked up this insurance? Then tell me how many of those who signed up are supplemented by those same aforementioned responsible people. The people who most get the whip and have to pull this buggy are the dwindling middle class, people who have done the right thing.... Obama has come up with yet another program to make them less than they were.
 
I honestly can't believe we're still having this argument, it's so stupid. I don't even have the energy to answer Nova's retarded post on Rana's thread on this. I must have wrote more on this topic than any other single topic on JPP, and still, the zombie lie is back.

Whatever...the world moves on.
 
Darla said:
It didn't change what insurance is, it just added something very basic to women's health. And a certain kind of man squealed. But no one cares.
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So, it isn't how insurance works unless Darla wants to believe it is "better" that way.

Reality isn't matching up to your claims.
 
BTW - I am glad that preventative medicine has been prepaid in my massively increased premiums. Having to continue to pay for stuff like that on top of the huge premiums would piss me off even more.

I'm already ticked enough about this huge deductible business that I've never had in any insurance I've ever used. I've always had good insurance, because I applied for jobs at companies that had good coverage on purpose.

They're going to price me out of health care though.... The deductible is massive.
 
Damocles said:
BTW - I am glad that preventative medicine has been prepaid in my massively increased premiums. Having to continue to pay for stuff like that on top of the huge premiums would piss me off even more.

I'm already ticked enough about this huge deductible business that I've never had in any insurance I've ever used. I've always had good insurance, because I applied for jobs at companies that had good coverage on purpose.

They're going to price me out of health care though.... The deductible is massive.
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But far fewer things are applied to the deductible. All preventive procedures have very little or no out of pocket cost. If you're still getting employer based health insurance, then your problem is with the plan your boss chose.

Not all plans have high deductibles.
 
Althea said:
But far fewer things are applied to the deductible. All preventive procedures have very little or no out of pocket cost. If you're still getting employer based health insurance, then your problem is with the plan your boss chose.

Not all plans have high deductibles.
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Yes, they do. Even the one that is supposed to be awesome does. At least when compared to the zero deductible I had in the past. Couple that with the massively increased premiums (truly massively, three times as much for the crappy plan, massively increased for the "low deductible" plan) and you have a family one medical disaster away from bankruptcy, ironically caused by the very program touted as the cure for medical bankruptcy.

The idea that this is "affordable" insurance is flat laughable.
 
Althea said:
Cutting off support? You mean by giving them FREE healthcare?

I still don't understand.
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uh, no.....they give free health care to those who earn more than $11,400.....if they earn less than $11,400 they have to pay for it........I know you don't understand.....but that's not my fault....
 
Althea said:
You think that older people paid proportionately higher premiums because they were a higher risk?
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are you kidding?.....yes.....we did.....and we still do......the only question they still ask when you sign up for insurance is your age.....and it is a fact that a couple I know who are 50 and have no children, are paying $400 a month less that I am for the exact same Preferred Silver Plan that I have from Humana......
 
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