Republicans Aren’t Christians

patriot66 said:
Did Jesus or did he not overturn the money changers tables in the temple, was he tolerant of Peter when he said get behind me Satan, How about Saul did he or did he not blind him for a time, was he tolerant of the pharisees when they came to him with the adulterous woman, or did he shame them.
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Yes....speaking of moneychangers, why do you support an agenda of.money and power? Did Jesus forgive Peter? After all, the Catholic Church was founded by Peter.

Saul? What did Jesus have to do with Saul?

Yes...he shamed them.


Lastly? You're not Jesus....you are a mere mortal....
 
patriot66 said:
Did Jesus or did he not overturn the money changers tables in the temple, was he tolerant of Peter when he said get behind me Satan, How about Saul did he or did he not blind him for a time, was he tolerant of the pharisees when they came to him with the adulterous woman, or did he shame them.
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You aren't Jesus.
 
leaningright said:
I believe the Bible to be the inspired word of God. I know that puts me a notch or two down (or more) in the eyes of most people on this site but that is who I am. I cannot ignore the teaching of the Bible on the three areas described. Sexual immorality, including but not limited to homosexuality is sinful (Rom. 1), I must see the importance placed by God on unborn human life (Ex. 21 among other OT references) even if they are not specifically mentioned in he N T, and while Christ ate and associated with tax collectors (publicans) He never condoned any sinful practice (see Zacchaheus Lk. 19) they might have been participating in. Yes, I am old fashioned enough to believe that per-marital sex is wrong, I believe homosexuality is wrong and I believe abortion is murder. Tax me all you want as long as you use it well (SS, Medicare, -Cade, etc.).

And yes Prof. Baxter, I do realized that at 47 I am a shrinking demographic. It worries me, yes. The world that my young son will grow up in scares me to death. But I can't change who I am or what I believe.

Which brings me to the T-word..." Tolerance." I'll start by stating that I try to be tolerant but am far from perfect in that regard. Many who claim the name of Christ show so much hatred for those that oppose them. Hardly a "love your enemies" approach you have to admit. One must "turn the other cheek" but it has never been taught that one must needlessly allow abuse. And as far as the proclamation of Christ that the one without sin should "cast the first stone" it is true that he said that ... But it was to expose the motivation behind the religious zealots of the day. But once again he did not condone the woman's sin (sexual immorality) but instructed her to go her way and "sin no more."

One final thought before I climb off my soap box. As one who claims the name of Christ I will not be politically silent. I realize that my convictions put me in not such good company at times. But to others who claim the name of Christ I want to say please act more like it (Eph. 4:1). So much of what we say or do reflects upon the One we're supposed to be representing. Also mind that Christians have never been promised that they'd be in the majority but he opposite is true (Matt. 7:13-14). As I climb down off my soap box I am reminded of why I so rarely go off on one of these rants. It changes little. But this is a good place to vent and once in a while a guy's gotta vent. Thanks Damo.
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Leaning right, you are a notch or two above in my books because you practice what you preach, you are a Christian like my mother and dad.

I do not agree with your beliefs, but I respect you.
 
Roo said:
Your pretentiousness earns you condescenion, you ain't my first rodeo honey.

Your deflections and dodges won't work with me, you are not my first BBQ.
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I may not be your first BBQ but you're a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic that you took the short bus to attend.

Go project on someone else, I don't like what you are cooking.
 
Translation" " I don't like you Roo, you hold my feet to the fire"

Rana said:
I may not be your first BBQ but you're a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic that you took the short bus to attend.

Go project on someone else, I don't like what you are cooking.
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Steelplate said:
Yes....speaking of moneychangers, why do you support an agenda of.money and power? Did Jesus forgive Peter? After all, the Catholic Church was founded by Peter.

Saul? What did Jesus have to do with Saul?

Yes...he shamed them.


Lastly? You're not Jesus....you are a mere mortal....
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So, no following His example, and helping many other people to clean up their lives? Just sit back and watch them struggle?
 
patriot66 said:
Did Jesus or did he not overturn the money changers tables in the temple, was he tolerant of Peter when he said get behind me Satan, How about Saul did he or did he not blind him for a time, was he tolerant of the pharisees when they came to him with the adulterous woman, or did he shame them.
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If you read the tales of Christ and only came away with the idea that you are supposed repudiate the same things he repudiated then you are an idiot. The whole point was to reform the immoral beliefs and dogmatic practices of the old testament by promoting empathy and understanding.
 
Steelplate said:
Ok....first off, decent post. Good even.

But did you ever think that the religious zealots of TODAY are behaving MUCH like the religious zealots of Christ's time? Too caught up on sin and punishment and not enough on forgiveness and love? "Go, and sin no more" is that possible? Do you not fall short all the time, or is it just me? I have moments of divinely inspired good....and I also have darkness in me that comes out.

The one we represent DIED to forgive the sins of the world. I act the way I do out of love....I love my homosexual brethren, I love women who abort a pregnancy. I love drug addicts and prostitutes. I firmly believe that God has it all under control and his will WILL be done. It may not be what you or I think his will is....I have a disdain for the extremely greedy....you have a disdain for sins of the flesh. I wish you'd focus more on the social justice side of Christ's teachings, you wish I'd focus more on PERSONAL immorality.

I have a question for you....one that I cannot personally wrap my head around. Suppose for a second you were born in the Middle East....or say the Orient....it doesn't matter....screw it....for shock effect....let's use the Middle East. OK, so you were born into a Muslim family, you were raised in the Islamic Church, and you believe in their doctrine.....you are devout...but not a radical(terrorist). How would an all knowing God send you to hell for eternity for that? I'm talking about an entity that can read your heart, mind and soul as easily as you are reading my post. That's what I can't wrap my head around....I have to believe that there is some universal truths that go beyond sectarian religious dogma.... I have to...the alternative is too horrific to think about.

And if God willing to look inside the souls.of other religions, why can't he look into the soul of a scared teenage girl who sees no way.out at this moment in time than to end a pregnancy....or someone who feels so different than you or I that the only people he/she feels attracted to is people of his/her own sex?

I am not condoning these things....I just think God is bigger than we give.him credit for.

I do not hate you my brother....I forgive you, and I love you in Christ.
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Awesome post, kudos to you! I'm in 100% agreement with the bolded above. Little annoys me more than someone telling me I'm condemned because of my religion or beliefs. Judging others and saying it's what God would do... it's the line I believe nobody can cross.
 
Roo said:
Look in MY fantasy instead of being old, withered, stupid you'd be large breasted, middle aged and you's know what your ears are for.


I'm just sayin.
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Gross old man, what a pig, give them time they all reveal their true selves.
 
Threedee said:
So, no following His example, and helping many other people to clean up their lives? Just sit back and watch them struggle?
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Helping? Yes...judging and acting self righteous? No. Trying to legislate morality for God and trying to set up a half assed Theocracy that celebrates greed and excess while condemning the poor and the poor in spirit? Hell no.
 
Steelplate said:
Helping? Yes...judging and acting self righteous? No. Trying to legislate morality for God and trying to set up a half assed Theocracy that celebrates greed and excess while condemning the poor and the poor in spirit? Hell no.
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Helping often means criticizing. I don't know how you always leap forward into theocracy, but it seems to be your defense mechanism against whatever choices you deem too hard to make.
 
Threedee said:
Helping often means criticizing. I don't know how you always leap forward into theocracy, but it seems to be your defense mechanism against whatever choices you deem too hard to make.
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You have no right though, as he has stated and that is always my point to people who are righteous and that is, unless you are perfect, or teaching a class, you can't criticize. It is that simple. You are a sinner according to the dogma of the church. The only reason your ass is saved is because of G-d. It has nothing to do with you.

By the way, did you hear Pope Francis latest statement on salvation?
 
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