APP - Rich And Poor Jobs And Wages

Mott the Hoople said:
Is our middle class being systematically wiped our or are they committing suicide? When does it become our responsibility to fight for our fair share of the economic pie or have we become fat, lazy and complacent and are suffering the consequences there from? When do we hold our selves accountable?

Pogo is right. "We have met the enemy and he is us."
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one way the middle class fought for themselves was to unionize - so the corporations sent their jobs overseas

if we demand cheap products then we demand cheap labor
 
midcan5 said:
The average net worth of a white woman between 36 and 49 is 42,600 dollars. For a non-white woman it is five dollars. The CEO of Nike, Philip Knight is the sixth richest man in America. He is worth five billion dollars.
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Do you think economics is a zero sum game?
 
DonQuixote said:
one way the middle class fought for themselves was to unionize - so the corporations sent their jobs overseas

if we demand cheap products then we demand cheap labor
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Or maybe businesses always just want cheap labor, and loyalty to middle class americans is in the way of short term profit?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Is the middle class a victim or are they guilty of being lazy and taking their prosperity for granted?
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Victims. definitely. Victims of a hateful corporate culture which is conducting war on the U.S. by incenting some americans for destroying the lives of the others. they're bifurcating our society with fiat money and perverse cultural memes.
 
AssHatZombie said:
Or maybe businesses always just want cheap labor, and loyalty to middle class americans is in the way of short term profit?
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of course businesses want the cheapest competent labor possible

such lowers the cost of their products and increases profits

however, in a consumer economy, if laborers do not have sufficient money to buy products then everybody losses

just like we are doing now
 
DonQuixote said:
of course businesses want the cheapest competent labor possible

such lowers the cost of their products and increases profits

however, in a consumer economy, if laborers do not have sufficient money to buy products then everybody losses

just like we are doing now
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Somehow your latter point is lost on business people. They only think short term.
 
Damn Yankee said:
What resources are limited?
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That question makes no sense to me, but I understand the assumption behind it.


"Controlling the wealth of America – top 1 percent control 83 percent of U.S. stocks. As a share of personal income mortgage debt ate up 19 percent in 1949. In 2003 it went up to 85 percent. 80 percent of Americans 65 years and older depend on Social Security for half of their income." http://financemymoney.com/who-contr...f-stocks-housing-debt-eating-personal-income/


1. Food preparers and servers, including fast food workers.

This field, highly valued by consumers, is expected to grow 10 percent by 2020. Too bad it pays an average of $8.71 an hour, or $18,000 a year — not enough to cross the poverty line if you've got kids. What makes it worse is that food service is the fourth most popular profession in the country with 2.7 million employees. We've all got to eat; it's unfortunate that our servers have to apply for food stamps to do so.

2. Dishwashers.

Did you have any idea that there are 500,000 people in America who make their living washing dishes, earning an average of $8.81 per hour? Me neither. Florida has the most and pays the least. http://uspoverty.change.org/blog/view/want_to_be_poor_work_one_of_these_8_jobs
 
midcan5 said:
That question makes no sense to me, but I understand the assumption behind it.


"Controlling the wealth of America – top 1 percent control 83 percent of U.S. stocks. As a share of personal income mortgage debt ate up 19 percent in 1949. In 2003 it went up to 85 percent. 80 percent of Americans 65 years and older depend on Social Security for half of their income." http://financemymoney.com/who-contr...f-stocks-housing-debt-eating-personal-income/


1. Food preparers and servers, including fast food workers.

This field, highly valued by consumers, is expected to grow 10 percent by 2020. Too bad it pays an average of $8.71 an hour, or $18,000 a year — not enough to cross the poverty line if you've got kids. What makes it worse is that food service is the fourth most popular profession in the country with 2.7 million employees. We've all got to eat; it's unfortunate that our servers have to apply for food stamps to do so.

2. Dishwashers.

Did you have any idea that there are 500,000 people in America who make their living washing dishes, earning an average of $8.81 per hour? Me neither. Florida has the most and pays the least. http://uspoverty.change.org/blog/view/want_to_be_poor_work_one_of_these_8_jobs
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So according to you, wealth is limited? Is that your position?
 
midcan5 said:
"Are higher taxes and strong social "safety nets" antagonistic to a prosperous market economy? The evidence is now in...."

"Von Hayek was wrong. In strong and vibrant democracies, a generous social-welfare state is not a road to serfdom but rather to fairness, economic equality and international competitiveness."

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=the-social-welfare-state
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So less money in my pocket, making me more likely to need welfare, is good for me and the country?

What a stupid person you are.

What are you going to do when your welfare check stops coming?:pke:
 
midcan5 said:
That question makes no sense to me, but I understand the assumption behind it.


"Controlling the wealth of America – top 1 percent control 83 percent of U.S. stocks. As a share of personal income mortgage debt ate up 19 percent in 1949. In 2003 it went up to 85 percent. 80 percent of Americans 65 years and older depend on Social Security for half of their income." http://financemymoney.com/who-contr...f-stocks-housing-debt-eating-personal-income/


1. Food preparers and servers, including fast food workers.

This field, highly valued by consumers, is expected to grow 10 percent by 2020. Too bad it pays an average of $8.71 an hour, or $18,000 a year — not enough to cross the poverty line if you've got kids. What makes it worse is that food service is the fourth most popular profession in the country with 2.7 million employees. We've all got to eat; it's unfortunate that our servers have to apply for food stamps to do so.

2. Dishwashers.

Did you have any idea that there are 500,000 people in America who make their living washing dishes, earning an average of $8.81 per hour? Me neither. Florida has the most and pays the least. http://uspoverty.change.org/blog/view/want_to_be_poor_work_one_of_these_8_jobs
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If you calculate all the other taxes the employer is stuck with just to pay min wage, the total is more like $14.00 or more $.
 
No well argued replies from the wingnuts on the right, but we expected that.

"What improves the circumstances of the greater part can never be regarded as an inconveniency to the whole. No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable." Adam Smith 'The Wealth of Nations,' Book I Chapter VIII


Check this out after reading below quote. http://www.ted.com/talks/jared_diamond_on_why_societies_collapse.html

"'The Culture of Contentment' is a deliberate misnomer. Galbraith is using irony here, irony little short of sarcasm. What he really means is the culture of smugness. His argument is that until the mid 1970s round about the oil crisis the western democracies accepted the idea of a mixed economy and with that went economic social progress. Since then, however, a prominent class has emerged, materially stable and even very rich, which, far from trying to help the less fortunate, has developed a whole infrastructure - politically and intellectually - to marginalize and even demonize them. Aspects of this include tax reductions to the better off and welfare cuts to the worst off, small 'manageable wars' to maintain the unifying force of a common enemy, the idea of 'unmitigated laissez-faire as embodiment of freedom,' and a desire for cutback in government. The most important collective end result of all this, Galbraith says, is a blindness and a deafness among the 'contented' to the growing problems of society. While they are content to spend, or have spent in their name, trillions of dollars to defeat relatively minor enemy figures... they are extremely unwilling to spend money on the underclass nearer home. In a startling paragraph he quotes figures to show that 'the number of Americans living below the poverty line increased by 28% in just 10 years from 24.5 million in 1978 to 32 million in 1988 by then nearly one in five children was born in poverty in the United States more than twice as high a proportion as in Canada or Germany." Peter Watson


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How America has changed.

In the mid fifties, "generosity was voted the most conspicuous American characteristic, followed by friendliness, understanding, piety, love of freedom, and progressivism. The American faults listed were petty: shallowness, egotism, extravagance, preoccupation with money, and selfishness." William Manchester quoting from George Gallup's Institute of public opinion

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