Same-sex couples begin marrying

[Timshel]

If morality is not fluid in some sense then the bible is either morally repugnant or slavery, selling your daughter, forcing your daughter to marry her rapist and other such things are morally proper. I am inclined to believe the former.

 

[patriot66]

Did I say anything about what companies do?

But that is why they say the want to get married, to have the same insurance rights as legitimate married couples of opposite sex

 

[patriot66]

Right and wrong is not the same thing as natural and unnatural.

Flying in an airplane is not natural, does that make it wrong?

Well some animals eat their young are you saying that we should follow their example there also!

 

[patriot66]

Jesus had long hair, wore a dress and never married. You sure you want to use him as an example?

Sure, he wasn't a flamer like you

 

[patriot66]

So don't advocate making laws based solely on religious dogma. Doing that is instituting a theocracy, however limited it may be.

But no, I did not infer that you wanted a theocracy.

So then from the beginning of time, how do we know murder is wrong, thievery is wrong,

 

[patriot66]

So don't advocate making laws based solely on religious dogma. Doing that is instituting a theocracy, however limited it may be.

But no, I did not infer that you wanted a theocracy.

Then don't advocate changing laws based on emotion, and lack of religion

 

[patriot66]

1) This has absoultly nothing to do with morals.
2) Morals are fluid.
3) Even if your personal morals are fixed, they are not everyone's morals.

I agree with 3, so stop trying to force your morals on me, homosexual marriage is something that has never existed and it comes down to money in the end, IE insurance coverage, life insurance, wills and such

 

[Timshel]

So then from the beginning of time, how do we know murder is wrong, thievery is wrong,

There were laws against such things that preceded the bible.

 

[DamnYankee]

If morality is not fluid in some sense then the bible is either morally repugnant or slavery, selling your daughter, forcing your daughter to marry her rapist and other such things are morally proper. I am inclined to believe the former.

Good point, however you will no doubt be disappointed to learn that Christ was the author of this new morality. When He comes back to finish his work perhaps he'll refine morality yet again, but until then, sorry, you or anyone else simply lacks the authority to re-write the rules.

 

[Timshel]

Good point, however you will no doubt be disappointed to learn that Christ was the author of this new morality. When He comes back to finish his work perhaps he'll refine morality yet again, but until then, sorry, you or anyone else simply lacks the authority to re-write the rules.

Yeah, that was pretty laughable. Just to be clear, you acknowledge that morality is fluid, in some sense? But you claim this Jesus guy is the only one that had/has authority to change the rules?

So then what about the shifting morality of your church? Is that allowed? Is morality still fluid under the papacy or was/is your church an immoral institution?

 

[DamnYankee]

Yeah, that was pretty laughable. Just to be clear, you acknowledge that morality is fluid, in some sense? But you claim this Jesus guy is the only one that had/has authority to change the rules?

So then what about the shifting morality of your church? Is that allowed? Is morality still fluid under the papacy or was/is your church an immoral institution?

My Church didn't begin until Christ so there has been no fluidity.

The Pope doesn't have the authority of Christ if that was your question.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Right and wrong is not the same thing as natural and unnatural.

Flying in an airplane is not natural, does that make it wrong?

Flying in an airplane is natural.
Jumping out of a perfectly good airplane is unnatural

 

[Jarod]

Yes I've heard that theory before; it has no basis in fact. Keep repeating the lie though as I find it incredibly amusing that you would believe it.

The people who the south switched along with the parties. They were Democrats, now they are Republicans. They support the same adgenda and ideas.... just switched parties.

 

[Jarod]

Actually I'm curious why you think morals can be fluid. Is this a politician's standpoint or a sophist idea; or something else?

My idea, there is so much moral ambiguity in the world its almost silly to claim otherwise.

 

[Jarod]

Well some animals eat their young are you saying that we should follow their example there also!

No, I never said we should follow any animals example.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Sure, he wasn't a flamer like you

There's also no proof that he was Asian, like Howey.

 

[Timshel]

My Church didn't begin until Christ so there has been no fluidity.

The Pope doesn't have the authority of Christ if that was your question.

Wait, so then God was immoral/amoral? All the people of the Old Testament and their teachings were immoral/amoral?

You have problems with the fact that your church has changed its moral positions over time too, but I want to understand the above first.

 

[Auster]

Wait, so then God was immoral/amoral? All the people of the Old Testament and their teachings were immoral/amoral?

You have problems with the fact that your church has changed its moral positions over time too, but I want to understand the above first.

From some standpoints, Christ grew up a Jew but then rejected their teachings as he developed his new teachings. Some years after his death I think before the apostles started their widespread missionary work the 'church' as it was back then decided that Jesus had rejected many of the old teachings, so they should also reject all of the old values and base their morals on Jesus' teachings.

Its been awhile since I studied it but I do believe Jesus broke from the traditional teachings and then after his death when the modern church was created they further removed themselves form the Jewish faith.

If I remember correctly Christ represented the passing from a monotheistic relgion with polytheistic roots to a purely montheistic religion. Of course, in steed of multiple Gods you have multiple incarnations of God in the form of the trinity. . .

 

[Timshel]

From some standpoints, Christ grew up a Jew but then rejected their teachings as he developed his new teachings. Some years after his death I think before the apostles started their widespread missionary work the 'church' as it was back then decided that Jesus had rejected many of the old teachings, so they should also reject all of the old values and base their morals on Jesus' teachings.

Its been awhile since I studied it but I do believe Jesus broke from the traditional teachings and then after his death when the modern church was created they further removed themselves form the Jewish faith.

If I remember correctly Christ represented the passing from a monotheistic relgion with polytheistic roots to a purely montheistic religion. Of course, in steed of multiple Gods you have multiple incarnations of God in the form of the trinity. . .

That's mostly wrong but if it is what you assert then you must argue there was no morality until Christ. So are you arguing that the prior church leaders were immoral or amoral? Just trying to understand the position you are staking out.

 

[Auster]

That's mostly wrong but if it is what you assert then you must argue there was no morality until Christ. So are you arguing that the prior church leaders were immoral or amoral? Just trying to understand the position you are staking out.

Hang on. Im not staking any position out. Im clarifying history. Now what is wrong, factually wrong with this? Aside from perhaps the exact timing of it?