Simple fact about the right wing leader
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lol... You do know how much we've spent since the 2000s on nation building there, right? If not, you're so clueless that it's comical.
evince
Truthmatters
the republican party is the war party
PERIOD
when was the last war a Democratic president started?
evince
Truthmatters
PROVE IT COCK GOBBLER
Libya was the last conflict that a Democrat got us in. Before that, you had Bosnia.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
It depends how you define Left and Right, but if we go back to the origin of the terms, the Right included imperialism and was thus always more pro-war.
That's why it's so cringy when people here talk about Democrats and "the Left," as if the DNC is left-wing.
I mean, you could easily google it, but here's a decent starting point. https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/09/15/nation-building-a-success-in-iraq/
Maybe, although Communism did plenty of "expansion", and that was left wing.
evince
Truthmatters
https://www.seattlepi.com/national/article/Bush-asks-for-money-to-help-rebuild-Iraq-1226484.php
Bush asks for money to help rebuild Iraq
P-I NEWS SERVICES Updated 10:00 pm PST, Thursday, January 25, 2007
Bush asks for money to help rebuild Iraq
P-I NEWS SERVICES Updated 10:00 pm PST, Thursday, January 25, 2007
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evince
Truthmatters
good little one
producing facts to your claims will make you a better poster
yes Bush and team sent a HUGE FLOW of AMERICAN TAX PAER DOLLARS to Iraq
did you vote for that?
guess where it all went
into the pockets of criminals
they never really rebuilt it idiot
they used Iraq to launder that money into the hands of the likes of Russian Oil manipulators
WHO TRACKED IT?
republicans
If you want to say that the money helped the Saudis, that might be the case, but Russia really had nothing to do with Iraq.
You sound obsessed.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
Communism as an ideology is left-wing, but the countries that promised it were all right-wing dictatorships.
You could say they were right wing on some social policies, but economically, they were definitely left wing.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
I'd say they were right-wing because they had a system designed to pool wealth among the elite. A country doesn't have to be a commune to be left-wing, but it needs to at least attempt a redistribution of wealth.
Then I guess this is where we differ. Everytime a system attempts this redistribution of wealth, elites develop. If you're saying that a left wing system doesn't have elites, then there basically has never been a left wing regime.
That seems like a politically convenient definition of left wing, however. It makes the left wing ideal impossible to fault with real world examples -- the philosophical equivalent of the "No True Scotsman".
StoneByStone
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The only left-wing system that doesn't have elites is the commune. Left-wing countries like the Nordic ones do have elites, but they have less wealth and power than the elites in right-wing countries because they have a system of Social Democracy that continues redistributing wealth.
I do agree that trying to create a commune on a huge scale is impossible and will probably always lead to a right-wing dictatorship. That's why I'm a Social Democrat, not a Communist.
I wouldn't consider the Nordic countries to be left wing on economics overall. Socially, you could say they are left wing, but in some ways, Sweden is more free market than us.
Also, Norway, Denmark, and Finland have been trending more towards capitalism over time.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
So this is a big misunderstanding. Social Democrat countries often do have more economic freedom than Capitalist countries. When you have "small government" the rich get richer and then use their extreme wealth to bribe politicians into making regulations that help them. Truth is, there is no such thing as real "small government." If a country is Capitalist, they have regulations that help the rich. If a country is Social Democrat, they have regulations that help the working-class.
So yeah, the Nordic countries do have more economic freedom because they don't have rich people making regulations to keep small businesses from growing. I'd argue that the German-speaking countries also have more social freedom. Prostitution is legal. And while drugs aren't, the laws against them are often unenforced.