Yakuda
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So once again attack the messenger instead of the message. Lazy AND stupidI can always count on a few of you idiots for nothing but drivel. You never disappoint.
So once again attack the messenger instead of the message. Lazy AND stupidI can always count on a few of you idiots for nothing but drivel. You never disappoint.
Sure John 14:6Tell us what Jesus said about accepting his own death and resurrection as a means of eternal salvation?
Since it went over your head, I’ll just say there’s a difference between forgiveness and atonement. Perhaps your little peabrain can figure it out.
Yes.should there be standards of behavior at all, for individuals to look to when deciding their own actions?
Who should decide what they standards should be?Yes.
its not that someone decides it's that certain behaviors work to facilitate human advancement, like cooperation and non-aggression.Who should decide what they standards should be?
I listened to an interesting podcast from a Biblical scholar about sin, especially the Original Sin.
She asked listeners, “What is sin” and “What was actually wrong with eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil”?
Her take on sin is that it is a harmful concept to all of us. That it brings on unnecessary guilt. That it causes many to believe they’re always falling short. Never good enough. That, especially related to things like gays and abortion, it brings upon untold suffering to our fellow humans.
Original Sin? She asks why is having your eyes opened, to be aware of and recognize good and evil, to have a conscience and bad thing? As Genesis states, ‘to be like one of the gods’.
For me, an atheist as far as the Christian god goes, there is no such thing as sin. That’s a theological concept. But, I agree with her premise that the concept itself is not useful. And is, in fact, harmful to all of us.
Agree. The concept of sin and original sin are extremely damaging and horrible theology.
Always the Christian who spews hatred.
Sure John 14:6
Forgiveness is only half the message dip shit.
still afraid to link to said "biblical scholar"......I expect it's Bruce......the guy who brags about the fact he's never studied theology because he doesn't want his learning to be "tainted".......Yep. Biblical scholars.
They’re very easy to find in youtube podcasts. I even listen to the apologists who try to counter those scholars with their dogmatic approach.
But, as one who has no intellectual curiosity, you’ll not bother. You’ll merely punch in with your normal blather.
on the other hand, it kicked your response in the ass all the way to next Wednesday........LOL
Is that the best response you have? Really?
uh, dude......people don't forgive sins......God does.......and he does it to anyone who believes in him.......BELIEVING is what you find hard to do.......The concept of "forgiveness" is interesting. It is central to Christianity but it is easily one of the hardest things for anyone to actually do.
Sure John 14:6
Forgiveness is only half the message
Yep. Those are societal standards. Manmade, not supernatural.should there be standards of behavior at all, for individuals to look to when deciding their own actions?
That’s what Paul came up with. A need for faith, and not just any faith, the acceptance of the death and resurrection as atonement.uh, dude......people don't forgive sins......God does.......and he does it to anyone who believes in him.......BELIEVING is what you find hard to do.......
sorry......I don't take the opinions of atheists on theological matters.....if you want to agree with me on something agree that you're a mindless twit....That’s what Paul came up with. A need for faith, and not just any faith, the acceptance of the death and resurrection as atonement.
Different than mere repentance and forgiveness.
We will agree on one thing, since sin is a theological concept, one does have to ask their god for forgiveness. Those of us who reject that concept only have to be forgiven by those we have harmed.
uh, dude......people don't forgive sins......God does
sorry......I don't take the opinions of atheists on theological matters
.....if you want to agree with me on something agree that you're a mindless twit....
Actually, I did. At my university, we were required to take a year of theology classes.still afraid to link to said "biblical scholar"......I expect it's Bruce......the guy who brags about the fact he's never studied theology because he doesn't want his learning to be "tainted".......
I understand. The Trumper that you are doesn’t allow for truth. Unlike apologists, atheist scholars have no theological ax to grind. Funny thing how so many Biblical scholars became atheists after actually studying the Bible rather than being fed the crap that their religion did for so many years.sorry......I don't take the opinions of atheists on theological matters.....if you want to agree with me on something agree that you're a mindless twit....
Speaking as an atheist I am talking about forgiveness in the larger sense. The sense of "loving your enemy" if you will.
I understand your point but I was "generalizing" it for the larger audience. I apologize if I said anything that might lead you to believe I'm pro-Jesus teachings. I know he's YOURS and YOURS ALONE so you can't possibly allow anyone who isn't like you to see value in his teachings.
His teachings become ash in your mouth.