So we have a US born American citizen being held without trial

[Poor Richard Saunders]

The 14th amendment did not end slavery.

It's amazing how you seem to be completely unable to read simple English. I never said the 14th amendment ended slavery.

Buzzword fallacy (due process).

******* Idiot alert *******
When someone claims the words in the Constitution are buzzwords they are an idiot.

 

[Into the Night]

It's amazing how you seem to be completely unable to read simple English. I never said the 14th amendment ended slavery.

Yes you did. Don't try to deny your own posts!

******* Idiot alert *******
When someone claims the words in the Constitution are buzzwords they are an idiot.

You are not the Constitution, Poorboy.

 

[IBDaMann]

Yes it is. Illegal aliens are enemy occupation.

Nope.

No pronoun was used, IBD.

You used the pronoun "they." You wrote "They are illegal aliens." The child born in the US is neither a plural nor an illegal alien.

I didn't talk about a child here.

Exactly. You wasted everybody's time. We are discussing the child born in the United States, who is therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United States by being born in the United States. None of your many objections to the child's citizenship is a valid comment pertaining to the child born in the US, but rather is a timewasting reference to the status of the parents.

Would you mind finally addressing the crime(s) you are accusing the child of having committed?

By the way, everything about the 14th Amendment recognizes the inalienable right of US citizenship of children born in the United States. Your mistaken notion that there is nothing in the 14th Amendment that recognizes the inalienable right of US citizenship to those children born in the US makes me wonder if perhaps you are possibly reading the Constitution of some other country.

 

[Into the Night]

Nope.

Yup.

You used the pronoun "they." You wrote "They are illegal aliens." The child born in the US is neither a plural nor an illegal alien.

You are conflating a child with the parents again. False equivalence fallacy.

Exactly. You wasted everybody's time.

You can't blame your problems on me or anybody else.

We are discussing the child born in the United States, who is therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United States by being born in the United States. None of your many objections to the child's citizenship is a valid comment pertaining to the child born in the US, but rather is a timewasting reference to the status of the parents.

Any child born in the United States is a subject of jurisdiction that matches the mother. Illegal aliens are not subjects of US jurisdiction.

Would you mind finally addressing the crime(s) you are accusing the child of having committed?

RQAA

By the way, everything about the 14th Amendment recognizes the inalienable right of US citizenship of children born in the United States.

Rights do not come from a piece of paper.
Children born in the United States have the same jurisdiction as the mother.

Your mistaken notion that there is nothing in the 14th Amendment that recognizes the inalienable right of US citizenship to those children born in the US makes me wonder if perhaps you are possibly reading the Constitution of some other country.

Rights do not come from a piece of paper.
There is no inalienable right of US citizenship.

 

[IBDaMann]

You are conflating a child with the parents again. False equivalence fallacy.

That is what you do. It is the source of all of your errors on this matter. You won't get it right until you learn that the child is not the parents. Yes, you have already griped about how difficult it is for you to grasp this, but you need to keep working at it until you get it right. Until you do, you will be unequivocally in error.

Any child born in the United States is a subject of jurisdiction that matches the mother.

You just pulled that out of your ass; that's why it stinks as it does. The 14th Amendment is clear that the parents, who are not the child, do not factor into the equation. All of those references that you imagined you saw regarding the parents of persons born in the United States were just that, i.e. imagined. The 14th Amendment does not mention the parents of persons born in the US because they, and their status, are irrelevant.

Illegal aliens are not subjects of US jurisdiction.

Illegal aliens are completely subject to US jurisdiction when they are in the US. Watch a deportation. Watch an illegal being handed a sentence or a judgement in court. Your claims are absurd.

Rights do not come from a piece of paper.

Correct. The inalienable right of US citizenship by birth precedes the Constitution.

Children born in the United States have the same jurisdiction as the mother.

The mothers of children born in the US are completely irrelevant. Children born in the US are US citizens, irrespective of the status of the parents and irrespective of anyone who makes up booooolsch't about the relevance of mothers' statuses.

Rights do not come from a piece of paper.

Correct. The inalienable right of US citizenship by birth precedes the Constitution.

There is no inalienable right of US citizenship.

The right of US citizenship by birth is inalienable and precedes the Constitution.

 

[ZenMode]

Watching the lying conspiracy theorists argue over whose ideas are crazier....

 

[dancindave]

Watching the lying conspiracy theorists argue over whose ideas are crazier....

Don’t you just wonder how suicidal super egos in sociopsychopathilogical homicidal human farming of Christian Nation SCOTUS Rehnquist “what is 9/11 ?” rhetorical Freudian slip where George Washington University Hospital Washington, D.C. born USA citizens are Islam where 30 years earlier a high school graduate on a class trip has a fly rod & old testament stolen in NYC just as the USA has the Federal Lynching KKKidnapping churchstate of hate drug trafficking fiefdom enforcement of “serve the Pope or die” Islamidiotocracy Christiananality pedophilia patriot act……

 

[ZenMode]

Don’t you just wonder how suicidal super egos in sociopsychopathilogical homicidal human farming of Christian Nation SCOTUS Rehnquist “what is 9/11 ?” rhetorical Freudian slip where George Washington University Hospital Washington, D.C. born USA citizens are Islam where 30 years earlier a high school graduate on a class trip has a fly rod & old testament stolen in NYC just as the USA has the Federal Lynching KKKidnapping churchstate of hate drug trafficking fiefdom enforcement of “serve the Pope or die” Islamidiotocracy Christiananality pedophilia patriot act……

 

[dancindave]

Still pontificating about that not so master race not so master plan of Christian Nation SCOTUS Rehnquist “what is 9/11 ?” rhetorical Freudian slip Islamidiotocracy Christiananality pedophilia Valhalla……

 

[Into the Night]

That is what you do.

You can't blame me or anybody else for your problem. Inversion fallacy.

It is the source of all of your errors on this matter.

Inversion fallacy.

You won't get it right until you learn that the child is not the parents. Yes, you have already griped about how difficult it is for you to grasp this, but you need to keep working at it until you get it right. Until you do, you will be unequivocally in error.

Inversion fallacy.

You just pulled that out of your ass; that's why it stinks as it does.

The Constitution is not pulled out of my ass or anyone else's.

The 14th Amendment is clear that the parents, who are not the child, do not factor into the equation.

The 14th Amendment does not discuss any equation, nor mentions any parents, nor any child.

All of those references that you imagined you saw regarding the parents of persons born in the United States were just that, i.e. imagined. The 14th Amendment does not mention the parents of persons born in the US because they, and their status, are irrelevant.

You are still locked in this paradox.

Illegal aliens are completely subject to US jurisdiction when they are in the US.

No. They are subjects of the jurisdiction of their originating nation. They are not subjects of US jurisdiction. They are illegal aliens.

Watch a deportation.

So? Changes nothing.

Watch an illegal being handed a sentence or a judgement in court.

So? Changes nothing.

Your claims are absurd.

Inversion fallacy. You are still locked in this paradox. You cannot blame me for your paradox.

Correct. The inalienable right of US citizenship by birth precedes the Constitution.

Not an inalienable right. Rights do not come from the Constitution.

The mothers of children born in the US are completely irrelevant.

Fallacy fallacy. They are completely relevant.

Children born in the US are US citizens,

You are still locked in this paradox.

irrespective of the status of the parents and irrespective of anyone who makes up booooolsch't about the relevance of mothers' statuses.

You are still locked in this paradox.

Correct. The inalienable right of US citizenship by birth precedes the Constitution.

Not possible. You cannot be a citizen of a nation that does not yet exist!

 

[Into the Night]

Watching the lying conspiracy theorists argue over whose ideas are crazier....

Random phrase. No apparent coherency.

 

[Into the Night]

Don’t you just wonder how suicidal super egos in sociopsychopathilogical homicidal human farming of Christian Nation SCOTUS Rehnquist “what is 9/11 ?” rhetorical Freudian slip where George Washington University Hospital Washington, D.C. born USA citizens are Islam where 30 years earlier a high school graduate on a class trip has a fly rod & old testament stolen in NYC just as the USA has the Federal Lynching KKKidnapping churchstate of hate drug trafficking fiefdom enforcement of “serve the Pope or die” Islamidiotocracy Christiananality pedophilia patriot act……

Random words. No apparent coherency. Go learn English.

 

[dancindave]

Random words. No apparent coherency. Go learn English.

Apparently this cognitive dissonance is either from remedial reading or just your suicidal super ego avoidance acceptance in sociopsychopathilogical homicidal human farming as Islamidiotocracy flaming flying chariot pseudoscience and human reproduction medical pseudoscience more perfect union of Christian Nation SCOTUS Rehnquist “what is 9/11 ?” rhetorical Freudian slip…..

 

[Into the Night]

Apparently this cognitive dissonance is either from remedial reading or just your suicidal super ego avoidance acceptance in sociopsychopathilogical homicidal human farming as Islamidiotocracy flaming flying chariot pseudoscience and human reproduction medical pseudoscience more perfect union of Christian Nation SCOTUS Rehnquist “what is 9/11 ?” rhetorical Freudian slip…..

Random words. No apparent coherency. Go learn English.

 

[dancindave]

Random words. No apparent coherency. Go learn English.

Since a descendant of an English teacher your not so master race of Islamidiotocracy Christiananality pedophilia not so master plan is noted & verified..…yet again…..

 

[ZenMode]

Random phrase. No apparent coherency.

Yes, for both of you.

 

[dancindave]

Yes, for both of you.

Yet another suicidal super ego in sociopsychopathilogical homicidal human farming of Islamidiotocracy Christiananality pedophilia where if a George Washington University Hospital Washington, D.C. born USA citizen inquires about a USA military career the Zen of West Nazi Germany Virginia is for the USA citizen to attempt getting medical care from a US Navy Hospital while the Zen of Federal Lynching KKKidnapping churchstate of hate drug trafficking fiefdom enforcement thieving US Constitution Bill of Rights arsonists KKKilling of a US Navy doctor is one nation under God with no equal justice under law mode……..

 

[Into the Night]

Since a descendant of an English teacher your not so master race of Islamidiotocracy Christiananality pedophilia not so master plan is noted & verified..…yet again…..

Random words. No apparent coherency. Go learn English.

 

[Into the Night]

Yes, for both of you.

LIF. Grow up.

 

[Into the Night]

Yet another suicidal super ego in sociopsychopathilogical homicidal human farming of Islamidiotocracy Christiananality pedophilia where if a George Washington University Hospital Washington, D.C. born USA citizen inquires about a USA military career the Zen of West Nazi Germany Virginia is for the USA citizen to attempt getting medical care from a US Navy Hospital while the Zen of Federal Lynching KKKidnapping churchstate of hate drug trafficking fiefdom enforcement thieving US Constitution Bill of Rights arsonists KKKilling of a US Navy doctor is one nation under God with no equal justice under law mode……..

Random words. No apparent coherency. Go learn English.