So, where are we with herd immunity?

Vaccines have been very successful against viruses. Antivirals are nearly useless. If you are putting your hope in treatment, we have already lost.

The reason for the all out assault in drugs like Ivermectin is that Big Pharma has expensive new drugs that they believe in.

Maybe they know something you dont.
 
The reason for the all out assault in drugs like Ivermectin is that Big Pharma has expensive new drugs that they believe in.

Maybe they know something you dont.

If Ivermectin was a miracle drug, it would be easily proven. Large studies are needed to prove marginal improvements, but small studies can prove miracle improvements. A study of a hundred or so would be more than enough. And yet nowhere on earth has it been proven.

Why would it be? What are the odds that a random drug would cure us of viruses when nothing has ever worked before? Why would Covid-19 be the first curable virus?

The alt right has become like the guy in massive debt who buys lottery tickets because he thinks that is his only chance.
 
The reason for the all out assault in drugs like Ivermectin is that Big Pharma has expensive new drugs that they believe in.

Maybe they know something you dont.

There are over 7 billion people on earth, and you are claiming none of them can prove Ivermectin works because of a cover up?
 
According to VAERS Website: There Were 3,296 COVID Vaccine Deaths in US Since July 24 – Or an Average of 70 Deaths per Day
By Jim Hoft
Published September 13, 2021 at 7:15am

There are now 14,701 reported deaths from the COVID vaccine in the United States, according to the latest numbers.

There were 11,405 reported deaths from the COVID vaccine in the United States back on July 24th

And this was up from 9,125 reported deaths from the COVID-19 vaccinations total from earlier in the month in July

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The number of deaths linked to the CDC-promoted vaccines this year has absolutely skyrocketed, according to the CDC’s own data.

The VAERS database contains information on unverified reports of adverse events (illnesses, health problems and/or symptoms) following
immunization with US-licensed vaccines. The CDC government website links to VAERS platform.

In June, VAERS reported 6,985 deaths due to the COVID vaccines.

Then it jumped to 11,405 in July.

And now it is at 14,701 reported deaths.

That is a jump of 3,296 since July 24th.

This comes out to 70 average deaths per day due to the coronavirus vaccine in the last 47 days.
This needs to stop!

“The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database contains information on unverified reports of
adverse events (illnesses, health problems and/or symptoms) following immunization with US-licensed vaccines. Reports are
accepted from anyone and can be submitted electronically at [B]www.vaers.hhs.gov.[/B]”

There were over 675,000 adverse reactions reported to the COVID vaccine listed this year.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...-total-vaccine-deaths-recorded-vaers-website/
 
Because natural immunity fades over time, and leaves behind a person more susceptible to Covid-19. It is important to vaccinate the most susceptible.
Having SARS-CoV-2 once confers much greater immunity than a vaccine
but vaccination remains vital
Israelis who had an infection were more protected against the Delta coronavirus variant than those who had an already highly effective COVID-19 vaccine
https://www.science.org/content/art...er-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital
 
Having SARS-CoV-2 once confers much greater immunity than a vaccine
but vaccination remains vital
Israelis who had an infection were more protected against the Delta coronavirus variant than those who had an already highly effective COVID-19 vaccine
https://www.science.org/content/art...er-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

They don’t believe the study out of Israel lol.

And they bristle at the mere mention of moderating the Max Vax campaign even as the science points in that direction.
 
Herd immunity is enough immunity that outbreaks cannot be sustained. If the virus is introduced, it can still spread for a little while, but not for long. Think of a fire on very wet wood. The fire will dry out the wood to burn it, but it will slow to put itself out also.

If enough of the population has immunity as you claim, then there would be no one to give Covid-19 to the infirmed. For your theory to come true, most of the population must not have immunity.

It is possible that we will not beat Covid-19, and every couple of months it will tear through our society killing 1% of the population. We may lose a decade of life expectancy to this. That will not be declared a victory, and should be fought at almost any cost.

Lighten up, Alter lol.

You’re likely wrong as usual. Here’s a more accurate analogy: imagine if the influenza virus popped up out of nowhere. It would ‘tear through’ society probably in a similar fashion to Covid. The difference is the degree of community immunity to the seasonal flu. People are generally young and healthy when first exposed, so over time the population will acquire a sufficient degree of natural immunity that subsequent infections are *much milder* than they would be if people were having their first exposure late in life.

Then there are treatments that will only get better over time. And in fact, are under rated even now. But it’s all vax, vax, vax.
 
You’re likely wrong as usual. Here’s a more accurate analogy: imagine if the influenza virus popped up out of nowhere. It would ‘tear through’ society probably in a similar fashion to Covid. The difference is the degree of community immunity to the seasonal flu. People are generally young and healthy when first exposed, so over time the population will acquire a sufficient degree of natural immunity that subsequent infections are *much milder* than they would be if people were having their first exposure late in life.

Then there are treatments that will only get better over time. And in fact, are under rated even now. But it’s all vax, vax, vax.

I could easily imagine a influenza outbreak that killed 20% of the population of the world, and could only be stopped by vaccination. Treatment of symptoms of a virus outbreak will get better, but there is no evidence that viruses themselves can be effectively treated. It has been several hundred years of attempts, so I doubt that will change in the next month.

No one has been able to explain how a deworming drug would do anything to a virus. And hoping that natural immunity will make us all healthier might happen, but it is looking more and more doubtful.

I guess we are just going to have to work hard. I know the concept is alien to you, but your ancestors did it, so can you.
 
Exactly how is he "fucking delusional?"

Exactly what is president potato head doing to be "on the right track to fixing the Trumpys Covid mess"? You jackasses were the original "anti-vaxxers". If Trump would have mandated vaccinations you would have crucified him(for the umpteenth time)and tried to impeach his corpse.
 
The variants keep reusing the same limited number of mutations, which gives us hope that Covid-19 has limited number of useable mutations easily available to it. Unlike the simple and very variable spike on influenza's virus, Covid-19 has a complex, a limitedly variable spike. This all gives us hope.

Wether we succeed or not, we should try. Failing means that we will lose close to a decade of life expectancy. It will also erode our society, pushing us towards collapse.

Democrats are pushing us toward collapse
 
More likely it will be treatments, like you get it and we know what drugs and what not to give you to make it go away. The big problem is the Big Pharma has captured the entire industry and the government and the Mind Molders and the so-called experts at the Failed Universities and at the Failed Scientific Journals , and they insist that the treatments must be new very expensive drugs so that they can make a lot of money and not cheap drugs in the cabinet already.


Buckle Up...We R Fucked

We most likely have cures for cancer but that would wipe out all the expensive treatments they can give you for a few years
 
Anyone that trust the medical field when it comes to profit is a fucking idiot

The medical field exists not just in the USA, but around the world. It exists in the public, private, for profit, non-profit, and every other sector. Your conspiracy requires all those people, in all those sectors, all over the world, to all conspire together.
 
Exactly what is president potato head doing to be "on the right track to fixing the Trumpys Covid mess"? You jackasses were the original "anti-vaxxers". If Trump would have mandated vaccinations you would have crucified him(for the umpteenth time)and tried to impeach his corpse.

The right has always been much more anti-science.

The left would not have opposed vaccines or the idea of ending COVID.
 
Hello Darth,

Your first sentence is just wrong.

The vaccines *don’t stop transmission*.

His first sentence was: "if everyone got vaxxed tomorrow, COVID would be done this month."

The post was made on September 14th. It is highly unlikely that the pandemic could be under control in a little over 2 weeks even if everyone got vaccinated. But that is because it takes 2 weeks after the final shot to build the full immune effect. Then, it would take about a month for the pandemic to stop spreading. It would also not be possible to vaccinate everyone who is not already vaccinated in a day, so time would also have to be factored in for that to be completed.

You are correct the sentence is not absolutely correct, but your reasoning is flawed.

It is true that transmission still occurs in some fully vaccinated people, but the symptoms are usually not present, and they are not nearly as contagious as unvaccinated people. Also, transmission occurs at a far lower rate in vaccinated people, and if they get it, they don't spread it to as many other people, because their outbreaks do not last as long.

The pandemic could be defeated if a) everyone got vaccinated, and b) everyone did their best to avoid the types of social contact which lead to transmission.

Conscientious people are doing both. Irresponsible selfish people are not, and that is why the pandemic rages on.

It is also true that not everyone needs to participate in the effort to gain control of the pandemic in order for the war to be won. The pandemic could be over if nearly everyone cooperated in the solution. The problem is that too many people are holding out and/or pretending there is no pandemic, and not enough have taken it seriously for us to gain control.

So the battle is convincing more people to take it seriously and take every possible precaution.

We don't know exactly what percentage of the population participating in the solution will be required for the efforts to be successful, but we will find out.

Sooner or later we will get there. How long it takes depends on who quickly we can get the hold-outs to cooperate with the effort.

We are at war with a virus.

We need as many humans as possible to take up the fight.

We won't prevail until enough do it, and we won't know how many are needed until we are successful.

Basically, everyone needs to ask themselves: "Am I part of the solution? Or am I part of the problem."
 
The natural immunity equivalent of a "booster" is getting the disease a second time, with all the health hazards that includes.

It's called "living". If that's a health hazard to you, then stay home. Don't be a fucking authoritarian and try to make every else do it.
 
Because natural immunity fades over time, and leaves behind a person more susceptible to Covid-19. It is important to vaccinate the most susceptible.

You lack the data to say that in comparison to the same issue with the vaccine.
 
The right has always been much more anti-science.

The left would not have opposed vaccines or the idea of ending COVID.


Besides being non-responsive to the question, that was a stupid statement in general.
President Trump and resident potato head both have the same advanced scientific degrees. “The right” got the vaccines to you brainiacs as fast as humanly possible, we ASSUMED everyone would want to take the shot as soon as they could get it.

“The left”, in the form of strokey joe and cackling kamala, said they wanted to wait for awhile to further evaluate the vaccines(translation: potato head wanted to wait until he was inaugurated to roll out the vaccines so he could take credit for it). And harris said that she would NOT take the vaccine if Trump said to. Real fucking scientific.

And how’s this for “left” science vs. “right science”? Trump builds a wall at the southern border that jackasses vehemently oppose, COVID pops up, Trump issues travel bans that jackasses call “xenophobic”. Potato head gets “elected” to fix the COVID catastrophe, throws open the gates at the border, and floods the country with thousands of untested, unvaccinated and UNVETTED illegal aliens, and you idiots wonder why we have a 2nd wave of infections. And now I guess you assholes are bringing in over a hundred thousand
untested, unvaccinated and UNVETTED Schmucks from the islamic shithole republic of Afghanistan? Real scientific there, idiots.

You can take your version of science and shove it up your ass.
 
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