So, where are we with herd immunity?

Walt said:
Smallpox was a virus, and it ended. Polio is a virus, and it is ending.
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oops, polio is a disease caused by a virus, covid is a virus period
Polio, or poliomyelitis, is a disabling and life-threatening disease caused by the poliovirus. The virus spreads from person to person and can infect a person's spinal cord, causing paralysis (can't move parts of the body).
 
Hawkeye10 said:
That is because that is not how we have been raised to understand what vaccine are. We know vaccines to be substances we take so that we dont get the problem, and they often work for life. The so-called COVID vaccines dont do that.
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To be most precise, they are prophylactic treatments that are effective at minimizing symptoms when given prior to infection. And they are something well under 100% efficacious at that.
 
Darth Omar said:
To be most precise, they are prophylactic treatments that are effective at minimizing symptoms when given prior to infection. And they are something well under 100% efficacious at that.
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For the moment, which will likely change, maybe very soon as they become useless.

Then What?
 
Just imagine if these so-called vaccines became useless with-in say a year or so, and also cause life long problems for those who injected them, sometimes under duress from power.
 
Life is Golden said:
That is a very possible scenario.
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Just imagine that you are one of these kids who was basically forced to take it, when even at the jump it was known to likely do more harm than good for you, and then it caused life long problems for you.

Imagine the sense of betrayal.
 
Walt said:
All three are diseases caused by viruses. It is possible to end the virus, and thus end the disease.
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All viruses are not the same, Alter.

Polio was a highly effective vaccine developed with 50’s era biotechnology. We’ve come light years since then and we have yet to solve the Covid riddle.
 
Darth Omar said:
All viruses are not the same, Alter.

Polio was a highly effective vaccine developed with 50’s era biotechnology. We’ve come light years since then and we have yet to solve the Covid riddle.
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Smallpox had a less effective vaccine. The point is to ring the virus, but it is possible to defeat some viruses. The point is that viruses can be ended.

Or at least some viruses can. I cannot think of a way to end tetanus, because it is everywhere. Covid-19 is limited to bodies, and does not last in the dirt for long. It would be difficult to wipe out, and maybe impossible, but also maybe possible.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
That is because that is not how we have been raised to understand what vaccine are. We know vaccines to be substances we take so that we dont get the problem, and they often work for life. The so-called COVID vaccines dont do that.
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No vaccine is perfect. Covid-19 vaccines are just like the rest in that regard.
 
Walt said:
Smallpox had a less effective vaccine. The point is to ring the virus, but it is possible to defeat some viruses. The point is that viruses can be ended.

Or at least some viruses can. I cannot think of a way to end tetanus, because it is everywhere. Covid-19 is limited to bodies, and does not last in the dirt for long. It would be difficult to wipe out, and maybe impossible, but also maybe possible.
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The only chance Covid was going to be ‘ringed’ was in the lab it was *very likely* created in. Failing that, China had a shot at containment but they allowed their infected nationals to traverse the globe while lying about human to human transmission. Why does nobody besides me seem to care about that?

At any rate, it was game-on, after that. The rest was more or less inevitable. We know that now, right?
 
Darth Omar said:
The only chance Covid was going to be ‘ringed’ was in the lab it was *very likely* created in. Failing that, China had a shot at containment but they allowed their infected nationals to traverse the globe while lying about human to human transmission. Why does nobody besides me seem to care about that?

At any rate, it was game-on, after that. The rest was more or less inevitable. We know that now, right?
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I care. China needs to pay.
 
So - does anyone know how long natural immunity lasts, and how long it would take to achieve herd immunity if we rely on natural immunity?

Not being snarky. If that's the plan, it's worth asking, and worth discussing.
 
BartenderElite said:
So - does anyone know how long natural immunity lasts, and how long it would take to achieve herd immunity if we rely on natural immunity?

Not being snarky. If that's the plan, it's worth asking, and worth discussing.
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You expecting our experts to know what is going on is sweet.
 
BartenderElite said:
So - does anyone know how long natural immunity lasts, and how long it would take to achieve herd immunity if we rely on natural immunity?

Not being snarky. If that's the plan, it's worth asking, and worth discussing.
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It’s not the plan, so I’m not sure who’s going to answer you.
 
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