So, where are we with herd immunity?
- Thread starter Darth Omar
- Start date
BartenderElite
Verified User
The CDC uses the data they have. You know what CDC stands for, right...and what they do?
They're not the only source that estimates well under a year for natural immunity.
I mean, if this is your "plan," shouldn't you know the data?
BartenderElite
Verified User
They SIGNIFICANTLY reduce transmission - both the chance of transmission, and the length of time someone is contagious.
BartenderElite
Verified User
Why don't some people want COVID to end?
It's a tough thing to understand.
It's a tough thing to understand.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
So, even though the nation’s top infectious disease expert is apparently unaware of any time limitations on natural immunity you trust the CDC on it, even as you can’t tell if they simply fabricated it or not. And doesn’t it bother you that Fauci wouldn’t be aware of such an important issue?
Knowing if/whether natural immunity lacked durability—during a pandemic, is kind of ‘important’, isn’t it? What do you attribute his ignorance to? Incompetence? Intellectual laziness? Or does the CDC have an agenda?
Straighten that out for us and we’ll continue the discussion.
BartenderElite
Verified User
We can't continue the discussion, because you are unable to answer very basic questions that are integral to what you are proposing. Which is kind of astonishing.
I have no idea why Fauci answered that as he did. But the CDC doesn't make things up. When it comes to viruses and disease, they are the nation's most well-staffed, most knowledgeable and most informed authority. I know many on the right don't favor that kind of thing, anymore. They'd prefer people who don't have any experience or knowledge, but speak confidently and "go w/ their gut."
Knowing how long natural immunity lasts is "kind of important" if you want to proceed with a strategy that relies on natural immunity. That's what I'd say.
So, what the heck, I'll try again: how long does natural immunity last? How long would it take to achieve herd immunity, if vaccination rates stay the same and we rely on natural immunity for the rest?
These aren't hard questions. If this is your plan, you should be able to answer them.
signalmankenneth
Verified User
Well, by definition if a virus can spread asymptomatically, then it can destroy cells (part of the body) without asymptomatically.
It is not uncommon for diseases to do even bigger damage before symptoms are present. For instance heart disease will do damage to your heart before symptoms present themselves. Or AIDS does huge amounts of damage to the immune system, before any symptoms are present. The symptoms come after the damage, and only if the damage is bad enough.
No, I am not. A PCR test has no effect one way or another on your body. It is a test, not a treatment. Whatever Covid-19 will do, it will do whether you get the PCR test or not.
That does not explain Brazil, which has almost no vaccination, but far more people who have had the disease. For some reason, they have not reached herd immunity, and you cannot blame the vaccine.
The body only reacts to diseases that infect it. It does not see the virus from across the room, and react to it.
Great, so lets get as many people vaccinated as possible. That is the part of the solution we can control.
Stringfellow Hawk
Member
because like the flu, it is a virus, it never ends
Darth Omar
Russian asset
You still have a problem.
You’re treating the *alleged* durability of acquired immunity as if it were settled science but you have yet to show us the science. The CDC’s say so isn’t ‘science’. You’re apparently willing to accept the mixed messaging between Fauci and the CDC and I’m not. How am I supposed to know who is wrong and who is right?
So show us your papers, if you can find any.
And before you straw man my point, it is this: it is clear that acquired immunity is markedly better than vax immunity. Until you show actual evidence to the contrary, it can be assumed to be at least as durable as vax immunity.
Given that, why don’t they moderate the vax campaign and offer exemptions for acquired immunity in their maybe/sorta constitutional mandates? Instead of rushing to jab the segment of the population that has ~0 risk from the bug, why don’t they revert to a more focused approach? Any of the healthy cohorts that gets the bug *will not* clog up the ICU’s. Instead, they will have flu like symptoms, then recover and transmit *less* of the virus to the community than their vax’d counterparts.
IOW, adapt the policy to the science. Think of how refreshing that would be. Think about it.
ExpressLane
Verified User
Oh yeah COVID is worse today than it was a year ago. Biden was given 3 vaccines and multiple therapeutics thanks to Trump's OWS and Biden let things get worse.
Smallpox was a virus, and it ended. Polio is a virus, and it is ending.
a few cells are not body damage.
you claimed "diseases weakening the body in order to get a disease again."
there are lots of reasons for heart disease, and if you want to go that route CDC says heart inflammation cases were higher than expected in 16- to 24-year-olds after second Covid vaccine shot
we KNOW symptoms occur quickly as the disease progresses. it is the viral load that caused the damages
So you are arguing simply the presense of COVID can cause damage- it cant
The virus has to establish itself in organs before the damage starts
ExpressLane
Verified User
Nope vaccinated people can catch covid and pass it along to others.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02187-1When early field data showed that vaccinating people cuts transmission of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, researchers were cautiously optimistic. But they warned that many of those studies, although promising, took place before the fast-spreading Delta variant proliferated worldwide. Now, reports from various countries seem to confirm what scientists feared after the variant tore through India with alarming speed in April and May: Delta is more likely than other variants to spread through vaccinated people.
Data from COVID-19 tests in the United States, the United Kingdom and Singapore are showing that vaccinated people who become infected with Delta SARS-CoV-2 can carry as much virus in their nose as do unvaccinated people. This means that despite the protection offered by vaccines, a proportion of vaccinated people can pass on Delta, possibly aiding its rise.
BartenderElite
Verified User
It's kind of amazing that people keep stating this - which is fact - like it's something that hasn't been an integral part of the discussion, and that is known by all.
BartenderElite
Verified User
It is noted that you can't answer the questions I have posted 6-7 times.
That is because that is not how we have been raised to understand what vaccine are. We know vaccines to be substances we take so that we dont get the problem, and they often work for life. The so-called COVID vaccines dont do that.