The "booster" for natural immunity is getting Covid-19 again. Each time you get Covid-19, it damages the body more, and makes it easier to get Covid-19 another time. This damage is so far cumulative, though we can not be sure beyond two times.
So, where are we with herd immunity?
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The "booster" for natural immunity is getting Covid-19 again. Each time you get Covid-19, it damages the body more, and makes it easier to get Covid-19 another time. This damage is so far cumulative, though we can not be sure beyond two times.
BartenderElite
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Why do you keep citing Fauci? All of a sudden he's a medical guru for you?
Have you checked the CDC site? They estimate that natural immunity is at its peak for only 5 months, and lasts less than a year overall.
But let's just say for the sake of argument that it lasts a lifetime (it doesn't).
1) How long would it take to achieve herd immunity if every American got vaccinated tomorrow?
2) How long would it take to achieve herd immunity if we waited for everyone who hasn't been vaccinated to get COVID?
BartenderElite
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And a 3rd question: how did vaccines become political? How did they become a "lefty" thing?
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Darth,
That's wrong.
Here's the truth:
There is more risk of myocarditis from COVID than there is from the vaccines.
"On June 23, 2021, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices concluded that the benefits of COVID-19 vaccination to individual persons and at the population level clearly outweighed the risks of myocarditis after vaccination.
What are the implications for public health practice?
Continued use of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines in all recommended age groups will prevent morbidity and mortality from COVID-19 that far exceed the number of cases of myocarditis expected. Information regarding the risk for myocarditis with mRNA COVID-19 vaccines should be disseminated to providers to share with vaccine recipients."
CDC: Use of mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine After Reports of Myocarditis Among Vaccine Recipients: Update from the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices — United States, June 2021
That's wrong.
Here's the truth:
There is more risk of myocarditis from COVID than there is from the vaccines.
"On June 23, 2021, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices concluded that the benefits of COVID-19 vaccination to individual persons and at the population level clearly outweighed the risks of myocarditis after vaccination.
What are the implications for public health practice?
Continued use of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines in all recommended age groups will prevent morbidity and mortality from COVID-19 that far exceed the number of cases of myocarditis expected. Information regarding the risk for myocarditis with mRNA COVID-19 vaccines should be disseminated to providers to share with vaccine recipients."
CDC: Use of mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine After Reports of Myocarditis Among Vaccine Recipients: Update from the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices — United States, June 2021
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Darth,
Yeah, that's chasing at shadows.
What FDA Approved vaccines have ever caused more long term side effects than prevented disease?
Yeah, that's chasing at shadows.
What FDA Approved vaccines have ever caused more long term side effects than prevented disease?
If you understood the very little bit of basics regarding this, you would see that the holdouts on the vaccine are giving the virus the opportunity to mutate before it can be destroyed.
Fachi said it was not over, and he was correct.
RunTrumpie Run!
bunch of crap.
getting COVID confers natural (acquired immunity) to COVID again , JFC stop the disinformation
they are vaxx fanatics
no and no
Getting Covid-19 means immunity for a couple of months. To get a booster, you need to get Covid-19 again.
You may not like it, but millions of people have gotten Covid-19 twice.
you idiot. you completely ignore mT-cells and plasma cells
Vaxxes last a couple months ( this idea we need boosters)
The immune system has difterent mechanisms to attack re-infection besides antibodies
that last a "couple months"
BartenderElite
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How long does the natural immunity last?
BartenderElite
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The bolded is an outright falsehood.
It's more like anti-vax fanatics - not vax fanatics. This is just political for you guys.
BartenderElite
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I can't believe someone here just said the vaccine only "lasts a couple of months."
Facts, current events, news, real information - all are on holiday right now.
Facts, current events, news, real information - all are on holiday right now.
yes and it can happen especially with variants, but I doubt milliions. havent seen the numbers
But if it does happen it's not because you are more susceptible the 2nd time - that violates all principles of acquired immunity
Natural immunity targets the entire antigen - vaxxes target only th spike protein.. do the math
Here is a hint, coming up with reasons that reality is not reality does not change reality.
Millions of people are getting Covid-19 twice. Outbreaks are happening in the same population time after time. Clearly immunity is not lasting very long.
While the shortness of Covid-19 immunity is unusual, having immunity fade over time is not unusual. Claiming it is impossible is just silly.
It is happening even without variants, and the variants (so far) are not changing the basic immunity mechanism.
Acquired immunity is separate from diseases weakening the body in order to get a disease again.
It would be impossible to target the entire antigen.
WTF is this supposed to mean? of course this is correct but meaningless response
acquired immunity IS the defense mechanism from re-infection. period.
You are not differentiating between asymptomatic or symptomatic illlness either.
Asymptomatic infection builds acquired immunity, and the body is not "damaged"
Of course if it's a symptomatic grave illness where the organs are compromised -then yes
the body is weakened even with acquired immuity
its not only possible, it's how we survive. Mammals have adaptive immunity to pathogens
and that includes viral antigens
https://opentextbc.ca/biology/chapter/23-2-adaptive-immune-response/
Asymptomatic just means there are no symptoms noticeable. Damage is quite a different thing. One can have damage without noticing it. Many diseases do a lot of damages before any symptoms exist.
Clearly, people are getting Covid-19 multiple times in the span of months. Populations are not getting herd immunity. Something is going wrong. Your saying that it is not going wrong is not changing reality.