Socialized medicine a global failure

[Robo]

Socialized medicine a global failure

There is indeed a lot to learn from foreign, government-run single-payer systems — just not what Sanders and others might like to hear. From Canada to the United Kingdom and even Scandinavia, single-payer systems have proven cripplingly expensive even as they limit patients’ ability to access quality care.

Consider Canada’s true single-payer system. Patients must wait an average of more than two months to see a specialist after getting a referral from their general practitioner, according to the Fraser Institute, a nonpartisan Canadian think tank. Patients can expect to wait another 9.8 weeks, on average, before receiving the treatment they need from that specialist.

Access to care is so poor, in fact, that 52,000 Canadians flee to the United States each year for medical attention. They refuse to wait in line for care as their health deteriorates.

The situation is no better under Great Britain’s mainly government-run health system.

As of this summer, 3.4 million Brits were stuck on waiting lists — a 36 percent uptick since 2010. Last year, about a million people had to wait more than four months to get treatment. Almost 300,000 waited at least six months.

https://www.pacificresearch.org/socialized-medicine-a-global-failure/

More to come tomorrow.

 

[Jack]

Somehow, I've missed all the complaining over there.
I asked for an Annual Physical. They gave me an appointment ... in 5 months.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Robo...for crissake...get nearer to reality. I know you do not want to approach too near...it might turn you into a pumpkin, but get a bit closer.

The United States has, BY FAR, the most expensive healthcare in the world...and it is one of the worst anywhere.

Cuba is considered healthier! ALL of the industrialized nations are considered healthier.

What the hell were you smoking when you decided to post this absurd thread?

 

[Robo]

Robo...for crissake...get nearer to reality. I know you do not want to approach too near...it might turn you into a pumpkin, but get a bit closer.

The United States has, BY FAR, the most expensive healthcare in the world...and it is one of the worst anywhere.

Cuba is considered healthier! ALL of the industrialized nations are considered healthier.

What the hell were you smoking when you decided to post this absurd thread?

Your only truth in that post Frank is the cost of America's healthcare. The only thing you "KNOW" about healthcare Frank comes from leftist propaganda. They're using the old Hitler scam on you frank! "Tell em a lie enough times and they'll believe it and repeat it themselves" (Adolf Hitler 1935.)

Read the thread and the site Frank! Learn some truth! The WHO is a leftwing propaganda operation Frank!!!!!

 

[Ross Dolan]

Your only truth in that post Frank is the cost of America's healthcare. The only thing you "KNOW" about healthcare Frank comes from leftist propaganda. They're using the old Hitler scam on you frank! "Tell em a lie enough times and they'll believe it and repeat it themselves" (Adolf Hitler 1935.)

Read the thread and the site Frank! Learn some truth! The WHO is a leftwing propaganda operation Frank!!!!!

Yeah, I know. You want to claim that America has the best healthcare in the world...when, in fact, we are dead last among industrialized nations on most of the important measures of overall health. We die earlier, have more heart trouble, higher infant mortality, higher mortality among women as a result of pregnancy.

Live in your denial.

Socialized medicine is outpacing us in damn near every metric.

EVEN CUBA HAS BETTER MORTALITY AND LONGEVITY RATES THAN WE.

 

[CFM]

Yeah, I know. You want to claim that America has the best healthcare in the world...when, in fact, we are dead last among industrialized nations on most of the important measures of overall health. We die earlier, have more heart trouble, higher infant mortality, higher mortality among women as a result of pregnancy.

Live in your denial.

Socialized medicine is outpacing us in damn near every metric.

EVEN CUBA HAS BETTER MORTALITY AND LONGEVITY RATES THAN WE.

Any system whereby those successful and productive are forced to pay for those unwilling to do for themselves is a failure because it exists. It's not the productive person's responsibility to pay for the unwilling person's unwillingness.

 

[Taichiliberal]

And yet in all these years NONE of the countries mentioned have voted in a system equivalent to what we have in America.

Care to wonder why?

https://foreignpolicy.com/2009/08/19/the-most-outrageous-u-s-lies-about-global-healthcare/

 

[CFM]

And yet in all these years NONE of the countries mentioned have voted in a system equivalent to what we have in America.

Care to wonder why?

https://foreignpolicy.com/2009/08/19/the-most-outrageous-u-s-lies-about-global-healthcare/

Feel free to move where you like it better. The system here has worked fine for ME. Since it's not my responsibility to give a fuck about you/yours or anyone else/theirs, I don't. Why should I support changing something that works for the only person for which I care whether or not it works?

 

[kudzu]

Socialized medicine a global failure

There is indeed a lot to learn from foreign, government-run single-payer systems — just not what Sanders and others might like to hear. From Canada to the United Kingdom and even Scandinavia, single-payer systems have proven cripplingly expensive even as they limit patients’ ability to access quality care.

Consider Canada’s true single-payer system. Patients must wait an average of more than two months to see a specialist after getting a referral from their general practitioner, according to the Fraser Institute, a nonpartisan Canadian think tank. Patients can expect to wait another 9.8 weeks, on average, before receiving the treatment they need from that specialist.

Access to care is so poor, in fact, that 52,000 Canadians flee to the United States each year for medical attention. They refuse to wait in line for care as their health deteriorates.

The situation is no better under Great Britain’s mainly government-run health system.

As of this summer, 3.4 million Brits were stuck on waiting lists — a 36 percent uptick since 2010. Last year, about a million people had to wait more than four months to get treatment. Almost 300,000 waited at least six months.

https://www.pacificresearch.org/socialized-medicine-a-global-failure/

More to come tomorrow.

What nonsense. Who writes such tripe?

 

[kudzu]

I see.. Its s three year old blog.

 

[Nordberg]

Is there someone in America who does not wait to see a doctor? When I call for an appointment, i get one in about 3 weeks. That is waiting. If I need a specialist, my doctor has to make a connection. So I go to him first, then get an appointment with specialists in the future. Of course I waste half a day at the doctors office too. Wait,wait, wait. That is part of any medical system.
My Canadian friends laugh when I ask if they want to trade for our system. The rest of the world laughs at our system. Healthcare is a right.
Saw a reporter asking some people walking from America to a Mexican town what they thougt about the wall. They said we are against it. We are going to town to get dental care and prescriptions

 

[Bill]

Socialized medicine a global failure

There is indeed a lot to learn from foreign, government-run single-payer systems — just not what Sanders and others might like to hear. From Canada to the United Kingdom and even Scandinavia, single-payer systems have proven cripplingly expensive even as they limit patients’ ability to access quality care.

Consider Canada’s true single-payer system. Patients must wait an average of more than two months to see a specialist after getting a referral from their general practitioner, according to the Fraser Institute, a nonpartisan Canadian think tank. Patients can expect to wait another 9.8 weeks, on average, before receiving the treatment they need from that specialist.

Access to care is so poor, in fact, that 52,000 Canadians flee to the United States each year for medical attention. They refuse to wait in line for care as their health deteriorates.

The situation is no better under Great Britain’s mainly government-run health system.

As of this summer, 3.4 million Brits were stuck on waiting lists — a 36 percent uptick since 2010. Last year, about a million people had to wait more than four months to get treatment. Almost 300,000 waited at least six months.

https://www.pacificresearch.org/socialized-medicine-a-global-failure/

More to come tomorrow.

Canadians life longer than over paying for care Americans..

Is the USA in the top ten or even 20 in life expectancy??

The countries where the ppl live longer are all evil socialist countries.........

 

[Ross Dolan]

Is there someone in America who does not wait to see a doctor? When I call for an appointment, i get one in about 3 weeks. That is waiting. If I need a specialist, my doctor has to make a connection. So I go to him first, then get an appointment with specialists in the future. Of course I waste half a day at the doctors office too. Wait,wait, wait. That is part of any medical system.
My Canadian friends laugh when I ask if they want to trade for our system. The rest of the world laughs at our system. Healthcare is a right.
Saw a reporter asking some people walking from America to a Mexican town what they thougt about the wall. They said we are against it. We are going to town to get dental care and prescriptions

Agreed.

Anyone sane from any other industrialized nation would laugh out loud if asked, "Would you like to change from your healthcare system to ours."

 

[Robo]

Yeah, I know. You want to claim that America has the best healthcare in the world...when, in fact, we are dead last among industrialized nations on most of the important measures of overall health. We die earlier, have more heart trouble, higher infant mortality, higher mortality among women as a result of pregnancy.

The WHO judged a country's quality of health on life expectancy. But that's a lousy measure of a health-care system. Many things that cause premature death have nothing do with medical care. We have far more fatal transportation accidents than other countries. That's not a health-care problem.

Similarly, our homicide rate is 10 times higher than in the U.K., eight times higher than in France, and five times greater than in Canada.

When you adjust for these "fatal injury" rates, U.S. life expectancy is actually higher than in nearly every other industrialized nation.

Diet and lack of exercise also bring down average life expectancy.

Another reason the U.S. didn't score high in the WHO rankings is that we are less socialistic than other nations. What has that got to do with the quality of health care? For the authors of the study, it's crucial. The WHO judged countries not on the absolute quality of health care, but on how "fairly" health care of any quality is "distributed." The problem here is obvious. By that criterion, a country with high-quality care overall but "unequal distribution" would rank below a country with lower quality care but equal distribution.

It's when this so-called "fairness," a highly subjective standard, is factored in that the U.S. scores go south.

Live in your denial.

Socialized medicine is outpacing us in damn near every metric.

No denial on my part Frank! The denial belongs to you! I study both sides of every issue, while you rely on the lying badtards at the WHO and the leftist neo-commies and the Democrat socialist

EVEN CUBA HAS BETTER MORTALITY AND LONGEVITY RATES THAN WE.

Cuba has three healthcare systems Frank. One for the Communist Party members that’s top notch, another one for tourist who visit Cuba also very good, then there’s the 3rd system for the people, I posted that yesterday Frank. Aside from that Cuba is now up Shit’s Creek without a paddle now since Venezuela is bankrupted and in revolt and not able to prop up Cuba with oil profits.

 

[Ross Dolan]

The WHO judged a country's quality of health on life expectancy. But that's a lousy measure of a health-care system. Many things that cause premature death have nothing do with medical care. We have far more fatal transportation accidents than other countries. That's not a health-care problem.

Similarly, our homicide rate is 10 times higher than in the U.K., eight times higher than in France, and five times greater than in Canada.

When you adjust for these "fatal injury" rates, U.S. life expectancy is actually higher than in nearly every other industrialized nation.

Diet and lack of exercise also bring down average life expectancy.

Another reason the U.S. didn't score high in the WHO rankings is that we are less socialistic than other nations. What has that got to do with the quality of health care? For the authors of the study, it's crucial. The WHO judged countries not on the absolute quality of health care, but on how "fairly" health care of any quality is "distributed." The problem here is obvious. By that criterion, a country with high-quality care overall but "unequal distribution" would rank below a country with lower quality care but equal distribution.

It's when this so-called "fairness," a highly subjective standard, is factored in that the U.S. scores go south.




No denial on my part Frank! The denial belongs to you! I study both sides of every issue, while you rely on the lying badtards at the WHO and the leftist neo-commies and the Democrat socialist



Cuba has three healthcare systems Frank. One for the Communist Party members that’s top notch, another one for tourist who visit Cuba also very good, then there’s the 3rd system for the people, I posted that yesterday Frank. Aside from that Cuba is now up Shit’s Creek without a paddle now since Venezuela is bankrupted and in revolt and not able to prop up Cuba with oil profits.

Proof positive dat de Nile is more den just a river in Egypt!

 

[Robo]

And yet in all these years NONE of the countries mentioned have voted in a system equivalent to what we have in America.

Care to wonder why?

https://foreignpolicy.com/2009/08/19/the-most-outrageous-u-s-lies-about-global-healthcare/

Why would anybody vote to give up the healthcare they have when they've already been taxed to death for it? Why would anybody vote for America's healthcare INSURANCE SCAM, where the federal government is bought and paid for by BIG Pharma and BIG Insurance corporate lobbyist? America's problem isn't healthcare it's among the best on earth. America's problem is health INSURANCE!!!! Ir SUCKS!!!!! It's a racket contrived by politicians of both duopoly parties and the corporate powers that be and their bribery system!!!!!

 

[Robo]

What nonsense. Who writes such tripe?

Nonsense and tripe such as??????

 

[Robo]

I see.. Its s three year old blog.

And that's relevant because?????

 

[iolo]

Why would anybody vote to give up the healthcare they have when they've already been taxed to death for it? Why would anybody vote for America's healthcare INSURANCE SCAM, where the federal government is bought and paid for by BIG Pharma and BIG Insurance corporate lobbyist? America's problem isn't healthcare it's among the best on earth. America's problem is health INSURANCE!!!! Ir SUCKS!!!!! It's a racket contrived by politicians of both duopoly parties and the corporate powers that be and their bribery system!!!!!

This silly capitalist quacking! We pay half as much for the NHS as you do to kill the poor, man! If you run a health service for profit, you are running an expensive murder-machine.

 

[kudzu]

And that's relevant because?????

You'd think by now most people who know what single payer- private delivery is and would stop bleating "socialized medicine".