Stern socks it to Trump supporters

Bill said:
I think you are confusing Stern w/ MJ.......

I think politicans doing that, like hilary calling you a deplorable was really stupid, but then you weren't likely to vote for her anyway.........

& usually that would be ok, but obviously given her tiny losses in key states~it came around to bite her in the ass.........

We'll see if Biden is smarter than that, someone has to be....
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Politicians say a lot of stupid sh*t but that one really jumps out. Politicians always strattle the line between throwing 'red meat' to their base and then not crossing the line. Of course it's always easier for those elected in safe districts or states. But its obviously different when you're running a national election. And while you wouldn't know it reading a board like this there are plenty of people in America who aren't political junkies and do vote across party lines. Calling millions of people deplorables will not go down in the history books under wise things candidates said on the campaign trail.
 
cawacko said:
Politicians say a lot of stupid sh*t but that one really jumps out. Politicians always strattle the line between throwing 'red meat' to their base and then not crossing the line. Of course it's always easier for those elected in safe districts or states. But its obviously different when you're running a national election. And while you wouldn't know it reading a board like this there are plenty of people in America who aren't political junkies and do vote across party lines. Calling millions of people deplorables will not go down in the history books under wise things candidates said on the campaign trail.
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Yep..........

I can still recall her saying that as if it was yesterday........ Her illusions of being above it all where lifted in that one strategic blunder..........
 
Bill said:
Yep..........

I can still recall her saying that as if it was yesterday........ Her illusions of being above it all where lifted in that one strategic blunder..........
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There are 36% of the public that she was right about. If you still support Trump, you’re a deplorable.
 
Phantasmal said:
That’s not what lost her the election, the people offended by her remark weren’t going to vote for her anyway.
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You can assume that, or not, perhaps you believe it helped in some way?? I don't see any way it helped period..

She lost some states by tiny margins...

IMHO you don't shit on potential votes in any election.......
 
Bill said:
You can assume that, or not, perhaps you believe it helped in some way?? I don't see any way it helped period..

She lost some states by tiny margins...

IMHO you don't shit on potential votes in any election.......
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The same can be said of your position, you don’t know it hurt her. I still contend that people voting for Trump weren’t going to vote for her, they weren’t potential voters for Hillary. The tiny margins were generally equal to the third party voters.
 
Bill said:
Yep..........

I can still recall her saying that as if it was yesterday........ Her illusions of being above it all where lifted in that one strategic blunder..........
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And the thing is her husband signed the Defense of Marriage act while President. She referred to people as Super Predators. Her husband signed that crime bill that put more black people behind bars than any other legislation. She wasn’t exactly sitting as a paragon of virtue when calling out others on the subject. (Not suggesting in any way Trump can’t be called out but the whole glass house thing).

At the end of the day around 8 million people who voted for Obama voted for Trump. Why? I couldn’t begin to tell you as I didn’t vote for either. Is it possible racist and sexist people would vote for a black man but not a white woman? It’s possible. But that answer is the easy way out if you ask me.

I still fall back to insulting voters like she did is generally never a good thing. Not everyone is a political partisan. Plenty of people essentially flip a coin so that remark did her no favors.
 
Phantasmal said:
The same can be said of your position, you don’t know it hurt her. I still contend that people voting for Trump weren’t going to vote for her, they weren’t potential voters for Hillary. The tiny margins were generally equal to the third party voters.
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No, I don't know for a fact-no one does.. I can't see how it helped her either...

Sure some of trumps supporters where not, but then there was a large contingent still on the fence.

Anyway, that is what I believe, no one has to agree.:dunno:
 
cawacko said:
And the thing is her husband signed the Defense of Marriage act while President. She referred to people as Super Predators. Her husband signed that crime bill that put more black people behind bars than any other legislation. She wasn’t exactly sitting as a paragon of virtue when calling out others on the subject. (Not suggesting in any way Trump can’t be called out but the whole glass house thing).

At the end of the day around 8 million people who voted for Obama voted for Trump. Why? I couldn’t begin to tell you as I didn’t vote for either. Is it possible racist and sexist people would vote for a black man but not a white woman? It’s possible. But that answer is the easy way out if you ask me.

I still fall back to insulting voters like she did is generally never a good thing. Not everyone is a political partisan. Plenty of people essentially flip a coin so that remark did her no favors.
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Yep, I see zero to gain by insulting potential voters......

Those 8 million or so went for trump for various reasons & IMHO one of the biggest was her essentially ignoring those ppl, the out of work/under employed working class that trump made promises to.. Especially in those areas/rust belt, Mich etc while he made promises to them.......

IMHO Biden kinda covers that weakness, but I dunno if that is going to make the difference in those strategic swing states that Obama won & she didn't..
 
Bill said:
Yep, I see zero to gain by insulting potential voters......

Those 8 million or so went for trump for various reasons & IMHO one of the biggest was her essentially ignoring those ppl, the out of work/under employed working class that trump made promises to.. Especially in those areas/rust belt, Mich etc while he made promises to them.......

IMHO Biden kinda covers that weakness, but I dunno if that is going to make the difference in those strategic swing states that Obama won & she didn't..
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So, Trump didn’t insult potential voters? Or, again, was it just the Hillary factor? I’m not seeing how Trump could do it, but Hillary lost voters. I think it’s all based on the prejudices against Hillary.
 
Bill said:
Yep, I see zero to gain by insulting potential voters......

Those 8 million or so went for trump for various reasons & IMHO one of the biggest was her essentially ignoring those ppl, the out of work/under employed working class that trump made promises to.. Especially in those areas/rust belt, Mich etc while he made promises to them.......

IMHO Biden kinda covers that weakness, but I dunno if that is going to make the difference in those strategic swing states that Obama won & she didn't..
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I thought he had no chance ‘16 and I was clearly wrong. If forced to bet today I would say he’ll lose in November. However since I’m not forced to bet I make no prediction
 
Phantasmal said:
So, Trump didn’t insult potential voters? Or, again, was it just the Hillary factor? I’m not seeing how Trump could do it, but Hillary lost voters. I think it’s all based on the prejudices against Hillary.
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Of course he did, I think I have made that pretty clear a few hundred times around here.....

You seem to overlook the fact that it payed off for one of them, the other one no so much.......

My feelings towards her, have never changed. I don't hide the fact that I don't care for her one bit....

How I feel about her has nothing to do w/ mistakes I believe she made...

You don't have to agree...........

We can disagree on her, nixon & hoover & we can both live w/ that.......:cool:
 
Bill said:
Yep, I see zero to gain by insulting potential voters......

Those 8 million or so went for trump for various reasons & IMHO one of the biggest was her essentially ignoring those ppl, the out of work/under employed working class that trump made promises to.. Especially in those areas/rust belt, Mich etc while he made promises to them.......

IMHO Biden kinda covers that weakness, but I dunno if that is going to make the difference in those strategic swing states that Obama won & she didn't..
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I’ll throw this out as well. At the end of the day obviously I can only speak for myself and what makes me vote the way I do. So I’m just projecting when I speak about others. But when I hear people on the right say something like “I don’t understand why those damn black people don’t leave the plantation and vote Republican” you kind of go “really?!”

And it’s the same when people on the left call all those they don’t like racist and/or deplorable. I’m sure they feel a lot better about themselves saying that but is your goal to actually win an election and encourage people to vote with you?

Of course no one pays me for my political opinions so what do I know.
 
cawacko said:
I’ll throw this out as well. At the end of the day obviously I can only speak for myself and what makes me vote the way I do. So I’m just projecting when I speak about others. But when I hear people on the right say something like “I don’t understand why those damn black people don’t leave the plantation and vote Republican” you kind of go “really?!”

And it’s the same when people on the left call all those they don’t like racist and/or deplorable. I’m sure they feel a lot better about themselves saying that but is your goal to actually win an election and encourage people to vote with you?

Of course no one pays me for my political opinions so what do I know.
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One of the things I like about JPP is that there are voices here, like yours & others that don't fit in nor are they interested in defeating the bad ppl, slaying the libs or killing the cons blah blah blah.........

IMHO most political forums run on the L R~ D Vs R paradigm.. Views outside that box are viewed as odd & not settling in the well defined lanes of engagement, which for most is argumentation & name calling..

That's why they're here, not to learn nor explore ideas & events..
 
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