STUDY: TRUMP pushed a drug & 'coereced' testing that caused potential & MAJOR HARM!!

tsuke said:
Your contention is that Hydroxi causes harm to covid patients right?
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My "contention" aligns with that of science -- it has no proven benefit to COVID-19 patients but it does have severe side effects, and may even cause death. It is likewise not proven to prevent an infection with the coronavirus, despite #COVID45's claims otherwise.

Then why not go and disbar (or whatever the medical equivalent is) doctors who have prescribed it?
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Physicians do not get disbarred. They can lose their licenses to practice, however. Plaquenil has medically-proven benefits for lupus and malaria patients. It is FDA-approved for treatment of those conditions. It is NOT FDA-approved for prevention of or treatment for COVID-19 infection.

But of course Democrats cant because doctors all over the world have been prescribing this.
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Odd as it may seem, the U.S. has no regulatory power over what physicians in other countries do. lol

As with most things hydroxi is now a political issue. Which is sad because we should be exploring all avenues of anything that may help.
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Very true. So why did your moron IMPOTUS make it a political issue? Why isn't he touting the benefits of remdesivir, which has actually been shown to benefit COVID-19 patients?
 
Concart said:
This was being said all along by the medical experts. But of course Trump and his cult refused to listen, and instead claimed that 'the left' wanted to cast doubt on a drug that was proven effective. Now we know better. I'm sure the cult will now wait for their instructions as to how they discredit the study, the person behind the study, and anyone who believes the study. Because they would rather be lied to than have to deal with the cognitive dissonance.
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why do you have to lie?

nobody said it was proven effective
 
Funny the left only talks about Trump speaking of hydroxychloroquine and not people like Cuomo

Dishonest fucks wanted to see this country trashed so they would do and say anything. Even fucking lie. I hate all leftists
 
Earl said:
Do you consider a net worth of 2.1 billion a broke failure, Snowflake?

Trump's Net Worth Drops $1 Billion As Coronavirus Infects ...www.forbes.com › sites › danalexander › 2020/04/02
Apr 2, 2020 - We valued the president at $3.1 billion a month ago. Now he's worth $2.1 billion. Here's why.
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He's not liquid. Those are assets that he has leveraged to the hilt. He has a little cash now that he funnels taxpayer dollars into his own accounts. But real billionaires laugh at him.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
And he had several WEEKS once the virus was identified to take measures to protect American lives as well as the economy. Instead, he fiddled while the funeral pyres burned.
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His only income these days is when he charges the taxpayer a fortune to have the Secret Service rent space at Mar A Lago. Which is why he golfs on his courses only.
 
Cypress said:
The worship and admiration Trump boot lickers feel for their Orange God is unfathomable to me.

My parents raised me to eschew bragging, petulance, lying, vindictiveness - and to disdain people with those qualities.

It seems like Republicans are raised with a completely different set of values?
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Most Republicans abhor him. It's the Nazi wing of the base that absolutely adores him. Along with those you referenced above. Uneducated fools who just love to see 'the opposition' angry.

Never realizing that trump plays them for fools.
 
HCQ has been safe and effective for 50 years. I guess the left doesn't want to try anything as a possible remedy for this virus.
 
Centerleftfl said:
I've always wondered what an extra 5, 10, 15 IQ points does for ones capacity to reason. I think we are getting dumber or just more INTELLECTUALLY LAZY. People embrace their ignorance now. And are belligerent about about it! Lie to me MORE!
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obviously you are getting dumber....
 
Stretch said:
HCQ has been safe and effective for 50 years. I guess the left doesn't want to try anything as a possible remedy for this virus.
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Stop spreading lies and misinformation.

"Safe and effective" for specific medical conditions, and carefully monitored by physicians. It is NOT "safe and effective" for COVID-19 patients. It is only prescribed when the patient is close to death, and only in the hospital setting.
 
Althea said:
Most Republicans abhor him. It's the Nazi wing of the base that absolutely adores him. Along with those you referenced above. Uneducated fools who just love to see 'the opposition' angry.

Never realizing that trump plays them for fools.
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94% of Republicans support Trump.
Now you say "Republicans are Nazis" and your meme for the day is done
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Stop spreading lies and misinformation.

"Safe and effective" for specific medical conditions, and carefully monitored by physicians. It is NOT "safe and effective" for COVID-19 patients. It is only prescribed when the patient is close to death, and only in the hospital setting.
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ignorance.
Prescribing "when close to death" ( more correctly when the immune system is already in cytokine storm phase)
doesn't help, and may aggravate underlying conditions.

I don't know how many time it has to be repeated -but it has to be given early.
At first symptom or even first positive ( since it's safe when given to otherwise healthy patients)
It has to be given with zinc and/or ZPAK for effective use

When given early it interferes with viral replication, and shortens the duration and intensity of the illness

So now you know even if you have read the same thing 20 times from me. Try to not go back to memes
 
Centerleftfl said:
LET US NOT FORGET THE BIG PICTURE HERE. We and the world spent 2 - 2 1/2 months going down TRUMP'S rabbit hole. MORE TIME LOST!

Day 2 after Trump started TOUTING his snake oil theory, this amateur posted the contraindications of his CHOSEN drug right out of the PDR. I stated that was a shitload of contraindications on a 60 year old drug and I NOTED at the time people with HEART DISEASE, DIABETES and alcoholism--active or sober--were major groups which could be precluded from using it. AND that represented a shitload of the US population. My instincts were dead on (no pun intended). Heart arrhythmias lead to sudden heart attacks and STROKES. Surely you have seen the ads. Seems a pretty important 'side effect' to me.

They didn't have the luxury of a double blind study. But HONEST #'s like this don't lie. Of course I guess 6 continents and all the medical institutions could have 'colluded' to change medical records and numbers. Sure! That'll be the next conspiracy theory. Stay tuned...

“It’s one thing not to have benefit, but this shows distinct harm,”
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Antimalarial drug touted by President Trump is linked to increased risk of death in coronavirus patients, study says

An analysis of 96,000 patients shows those treated with hydroxychloroquine were also more likely to suffer irregular heart rhythms


President Trump on May 18 said that he has been taking the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine as a preventive measure against the coronavirus. (The Washington Post)​

By Ariana Eunjung Cha and
Laurie McGinley

May 22, 2020 at 8:28 a.m. EDT

The Washington Post is providing this important information about the coronavirus for free. For more free coverage of the coronavirus pandemic, sign up for our daily Coronavirus Updates newsletter where all stories are free to read.

A study of 96,000 hospitalized coronavirus patients on six continents found that those who received an antimalarial drug promoted by President Trump as a “game changer” in the fight against the virus had a significantly higher risk of death compared with those who did not.

People treated with hydroxychloroquine, or the closely related drug chloroquine, were also more likely to develop a type of irregular heart rhythm, or arrhythmia, that can lead to sudden cardiac death, it concluded.

The study, published Friday in the medical journal the Lancet, is the largest analysis to date of the risks and benefits of treating covid-19 patients with antimalarial drugs. It is based on a retrospective analysis of medical records, not a controlled study in which patients are divided randomly into treatment groups — a method considered the gold standard of medicine. But the sheer size of the study was convincing to some scientists.

“It’s one thing not to have benefit, but this shows distinct harm,” said Eric Topol, a cardiologist and director of the Scripps Research Translational Institute. “If there was ever hope for this drug, this is the death of it.”

David Maron, director of preventive cardiology at the Stanford University School of Medicine, said that “these findings provide absolutely no reason for optimism that these drugs might be useful in the prevention or treatment of covid-19.”

Past studies also found scant or no evidence of hydroxychloroquine’s benefit in treating sick patients, while reports mounted of dangerous heart problems associated with its use. As a result, the Food and Drug Administration last month warned against the use of the drug outside hospital settings or clinical trials

The new analysis — by Mandeep Mehra, a Harvard Medical School professor and physician at Brigham and Women’s Hospital, and colleagues at other institutions — included patients with a positive laboratory test for covid-19 who were hospitalized between Dec. 20, 2019, and April 14, 2020, at 671 medical centers worldwide. The mean age was 54 years, and 53 percent were men. Those who were on mechanical ventilators or who received remdesivir, an antiviral drug made by Gilead Sciences that has shown promise in decreasing recovery times, were excluded.

Mehra said in an interview that the widespread use of antimalarials for covid-19 patients was based on the idea of “a desperate disease demands desperate measures," but that we have learned a hard lesson from the experience about the importance of first doing no harm.

In retrospect, Mehra said, using the drugs without systematic testing was “unwise.”

“I wish we had had this information at the outset,” he said, “as there has potentially been harm to patients.”

Nearly 15,000 of the 96,000 patients in the analysis were treated with hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine alone or in combination with a type of antibiotics known as a macrolide, such as azithromycin or clarithromycin, within 48 hours of their diagnosis.

The difference between patients who received the antimalarials and those who did not was striking.

For those given hydroxychloroquine, there was a 34 percent increase in risk of mortality and a 137 percent increased risk of a serious heart arrhythmias. For those receiving hydroxychloroquine and an antibiotic — the cocktail endorsed by Trump — there was a 45 percent increased risk of death and a 411 percent increased risk of serious heart arrhythmias...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/05/22/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-study/
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THE POOR, DESPERATE LEFTIDIOTS AT "THE LANCET" ARE STILL TRYING TO PRETEND THEY ARE RELEVENT IN MEDICAL CIRCLES !! :laugh:
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Stop spreading lies and misinformation.

"Safe and effective" for specific medical conditions, and carefully monitored by physicians. It is NOT "safe and effective" for COVID-19 patients. It is only prescribed when the patient is close to death, and only in the hospital setting.
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LOL :laugh:

It works best when given to patients AT THE ONSET. It has little to no effect on the seriously ill.
You're thinking of ventilators, which are used when just about all hope is gone. People take it for lupas,
malaria and a few other autoimmune diseases and have for 50 years. It's FDA approved.
Nobody around here had a problem with Mario The Pius getting 750,000 doses of chloroquine,
70,000 doses of hydroxychloroquine and 10,000 doses of Zithromax for a NY trial a month ago.
 
Trump was hunting for a snake oil cure he could sell to the people to mitigate the obvious damage from his mishandling Corona. It isn't so bad. You take this and it goes away. You can ignore it now. Corona will not get you. Hydroxy was his choice if you are not counting injecting disinfectants and internal light therapy.,
Rightys simply cannot say WTF is he talking about. They immediately try to find a way to justify it. If Trump says it, they will back it. We know hydroxy will harm and perhaps kill people. But if it helps Trump in 2020 it is worth it to rightys. They sell those lives like they peddle their integrity.
I feel sorry for rightys . They give away so much to keep the con rolling.
 
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