Survivors reveal the chilling truth about the world's most horrific torture camps

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why did you give me shit when I talk about fallughia at the time?

So why the fuck don't you create a thread about it, you crazy bint? This about North Korea not Iraq!!

 

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Yes I understand many do.


The culture of the Japanese was such at the time that they would have done exactly what the emperer would have told them to do.

They would have stood in the streets with sticks and fought the invasion.


These people would have been slaughtered.


Truman knew many many would die not matter what he did.

He decided that as the American president that the people who would die would include no Americans.


That was his job

You're a bigot.

Some would have; most likely would not have.

It doesn't matter. The ends don't justify the means. America DOES NOT INTENTIONALLY TARGET INNOCENT CIVILIANS, ever - or it ceases to be the country we believe in, and what sets us apart.

Shame on you. I suppose you'd favor torture if it did get good intel on upcoming planned attacks?

 

[evince]

It's a rather poorly defined disorder with a lot of mythology around it. We can't say for certain that a sociopath has a "broken brain", science has not pinpointed any precise physiological cause, nor have they determined either that it's present at birth or the result of abuse of some kind. I feel that people in the popular media like to reiterate its supposed presence at birth, sign of a "broken brain", and supposed incurability because they want to guard against any suggestion of rehabilitation or release. But that's not something that's been proven, it's just something people want to be true and thus accept without question. They do not have a complete inability to feel any emotions. That's another myth. They show a reduced diminished capacity for empathy or remorse, according to the person who diagnosed them (this is inherently a subjective exercise, which is one reason the DSM-IV did away with the diagnoses of sociopathy).

If I were to try and describe it, I'd say it's a description of a set of symptoms considered to be a single disorder, including antisocial behavior, reduced capacity for empathy, poor impulse culture, and glibness/superficial charm, which is generally diagnosed by a trained psychologist filling out the Hare Psychopathy Checklist. The criminal justice system likes this checklist because it tends to be a good predictor of recidivism. But I'd like to point out that half of the checklist is dedicated to determining a history of criminal behavior and juvenile delinquency, rather than the sexier, utterly subjective stuff like lack of empathy that the popular media likes to latch on to. It is not exactly surprising, in my mind, that a checklist that heavily weights past criminal behavior in scoring tends to be a good predictor of future recidivism; of course, if someone's done something once, they can be considered more likely to do it again. As well, there are problems with the checklist even when filled out by someone qualified, the same person can get vastly different scores differing by 20 points or so depending on who filled out their checklist (I'd like to point out that the maximum score is 40 points, and a score of 20 or more is enough to define someone as a sociopath; so, 20 points of variability in this case is pretty fucking huge).

I feel like people love sociopathy because the popular version of it seems to have so much explanatory power. All the evil in the world, caused by a small minority with an incurable genetic brain condition that we can clearly and certainly identify, so if we just took all of those people and put a bullet in the back of their head, poof! No more evil. But basically all of that is either myth or exaggeration, there's not been any determined physiological cause and our diagnostic tools are shoddy at best. Personally, I don't like it, because I think it's leading to a witch hunt, people just make up crap about it they'd like to be true and reiterate their invention with no apparent need to back it up with evidence. Furthermore, I mean, really, just listen to yourself, "how the fuck can you claim sociopathy has nothing to do with a country operating like this?" Well, I dunno, has anyone even set Kim Jong Un down with a trained psychologist and the Hare Psychopathy Checklist? If you think about it, what you and others are defining sociopathy as is basically "Having done something horrible". No diagnosis necessary or investigation necessary beyond that, they're just a different species, the only cure is a bullet. And, you know, I think it's really cute, it's like humanity is giving itself a pat on the back, "There's never any worry we'd do such a thing, with our awesome capacity for empathy and all!"

an inability to feel human emotions is a broken brain issue.

compassion comes from the brain.


To be born with out the ability for your brain to process human emotions is to be a broken human.


now if it has a physical structure of some kind in the brain then DAMAGE can cause it too.

Damage can come in many forms

 

[I'm Watermark]

It's a rather poorly defined disorder with a lot of mythology around it. We can't say for certain that a sociopath has a "broken brain", science has not pinpointed any precise physiological cause, nor have they determined either that it's present at birth or the result of abuse of some kind. I feel that people in the popular media like to reiterate its supposed presence at birth, sign of a "broken brain", and supposed incurability because they want to guard against any suggestion of rehabilitation or release. But that's not something that's been proven, it's just something people want to be true and thus accept without question. They do not have a complete inability to feel any emotions. That's another myth. They show a reduced diminished capacity for empathy or remorse, according to the person who diagnosed them (this is inherently a subjective exercise, which is one reason the DSM-IV did away with the diagnoses of sociopathy).

If I were to try and describe it, I'd say it's a description of a set of symptoms considered to be a single disorder, including antisocial behavior, reduced capacity for empathy, poor impulse culture, and glibness/superficial charm, which is generally diagnosed by a trained psychologist filling out the Hare Psychopathy Checklist. The criminal justice system likes this checklist because it tends to be a good predictor of recidivism. But I'd like to point out that half of the checklist is dedicated to determining a history of criminal behavior and juvenile delinquency, rather than the sexier, utterly subjective stuff like lack of empathy that the popular media likes to latch on to. It is not exactly surprising, in my mind, that a checklist that heavily weights past criminal behavior in scoring tends to be a good predictor of future recidivism; of course, if someone's done something once, they can be considered more likely to do it again. As well, there are problems with the checklist even when filled out by someone qualified, the same person can get vastly different scores differing by 20 points or so depending on who filled out their checklist (I'd like to point out that the maximum score is 40 points, and a score of 20 or more is enough to define someone as a sociopath; so, 20 points of variability in this case is pretty fucking huge).

I feel like people love sociopathy because the popular version of it seems to have so much explanatory power. All the evil in the world, caused by a small minority with an incurable genetic brain condition that we can clearly and certainly identify, so if we just took all of those people and put a bullet in the back of their head, poof! No more evil. But basically all of that is either myth or exaggeration, there's not been any determined physiological cause and our diagnostic tools are shoddy at best. Personally, I don't like it, because I think it's leading to a witch hunt, people just make up crap about it they'd like to be true and reiterate their invention with no apparent need to back it up with evidence. Furthermore, I mean, really, just listen to yourself, "how the fuck can you claim sociopathy has nothing to do with a country operating like this?" Well, I dunno, has anyone even set Kim Jong Un down with a trained psychologist and the Hare Psychopathy Checklist? If you think about it, what you and others are defining sociopathy as is basically "Having done something horrible". No diagnosis necessary or investigation necessary beyond that, they're just a different species, the only cure is a bullet. And, you know, I think it's really cute, it's like humanity is giving itself a pat on the back, "There's never any worry we'd do such a thing, with our awesome capacity for empathy and all!"

Wow. That was a great post.

I'd like to make some comments:

a.) Empathy disorders can very much be the result of a "broken brain", although I really dislike that term. The Autism Spectrum, for example, is neurological, not the result of social factors.
b.) The way that we judge sociopathy is very strange. Like, we can say that serial killers probably afflicted by it... but what about heads of state? Businessmen? Soldiers? These people kill as part of their job description. Yet we accept it as normal, and lots of folks who're seemingly normal take up these roles.

Another thing we could look at are the tribal societies engaging in ritual cannibalism. The people doing that today are sociopaths, but back then it was a cultural norm. So it seems to me that sociopathy has a lot to do with what a give society sees as acceptable, or as normal.

 

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what do you want from me Superfreak? Everyone wants something from me. I am so tired. If she bothers you put her on IA. That's all I can tell you. In the meantime as long as you keep answering you are helping derail this thread.

No she doesn't, but you were whining about how it was Lorax and I that were 'picking on her' and 'derailing the thread'... good to see you admit it is Desh that is doing so.

 

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Dude why would sociopaths support the bleeding heart party?

Hell they KNOW they are more welcome in the party that hates everyone

tell me how sociopathy has nothing to do with people being willing to treat their fellow man this way?

dear fucking idiot... you are derailing the thread in your nonstop bullshit about how Reps hate everyone, how reps attract sociopaths etc...

Just keep letting your hatred consume you desh... you are a tired bitter piece of shit... and you are only going to go further down from here.

 

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yeah wanting poor children to be fed, increasing school funds, funding housing projects for the poor and such are just so sociopathic huh
dude your the one who embraces the "fuck the other guy" attitude all day long.

you truly are a fucking idiot. No one on this board is more ignorant than you... congrats!

 

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Now tell me everything you KNOW about the dropping of WP on Fallughia?

the first thing is - it is not as bad as dropping an atomic bomb.

 

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Now why are you defending the leader of north Korea?

Show us the post dummy. Which post did he defend the leader of north korea?

Or are you LYING again???

 

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You're a bigot.

Some would have; most likely would not have.

It doesn't matter. The ends don't justify the means. America DOES NOT INTENTIONALLY TARGET INNOCENT CIVILIANS, ever - or it ceases to be the country we believe in, and what sets us apart.

Shame on you. I suppose you'd favor torture if it did get good intel on upcoming planned attacks?

obviously Desh has now exposed herself as a right winger

 

[I'm Watermark]

Yeah that's true, and a really good point. There have been a lot of studies showing this too right? Actual clinical trials where people would push buzzers to cause other's what they believed to be excruciating pain just because they were told to?

I read about that. The results ended up showing that, under the right conditions, almost any individual can display traits associated with psychopathy.

 

[Taichiliberal]

All this shit stops the nano-second China and Russia stop sending food.

 

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It's a rather poorly defined disorder with a lot of mythology around it. We can't say for certain that a sociopath has a "broken brain", science has not pinpointed any precise physiological cause, nor have they determined either that it's present at birth or the result of abuse of some kind. I feel that people in the popular media like to reiterate its supposed presence at birth, sign of a "broken brain", and supposed incurability because they want to guard against any suggestion of rehabilitation or release. But that's not something that's been proven, it's just something people want to be true and thus accept without question. They do not have a complete inability to feel any emotions. That's another myth. They show a reduced diminished capacity for empathy or remorse, according to the person who diagnosed them (this is inherently a subjective exercise, which is one reason the DSM-IV did away with the diagnoses of sociopathy).

If I were to try and describe it, I'd say it's a description of a set of symptoms considered to be a single disorder, including antisocial behavior, reduced capacity for empathy, poor impulse culture, and glibness/superficial charm, which is generally diagnosed by a trained psychologist filling out the Hare Psychopathy Checklist. The criminal justice system likes this checklist because it tends to be a good predictor of recidivism. But I'd like to point out that half of the checklist is dedicated to determining a history of criminal behavior and juvenile delinquency, rather than the sexier, utterly subjective stuff like lack of empathy that the popular media likes to latch on to. It is not exactly surprising, in my mind, that a checklist that heavily weights past criminal behavior in scoring tends to be a good predictor of future recidivism; of course, if someone's done something once, they can be considered more likely to do it again. As well, there are problems with the checklist even when filled out by someone qualified, the same person can get vastly different scores differing by 20 points or so depending on who filled out their checklist (I'd like to point out that the maximum score is 40 points, and a score of 20 or more is enough to define someone as a sociopath; so, 20 points of variability in this case is pretty fucking huge).

I feel like people love sociopathy because the popular version of it seems to have so much explanatory power. All the evil in the world, caused by a small minority with an incurable genetic brain condition that we can clearly and certainly identify, so if we just took all of those people and put a bullet in the back of their head, poof! No more evil. But basically all of that is either myth or exaggeration, there's not been any determined physiological cause and our diagnostic tools are shoddy at best. Personally, I don't like it, because I think it's leading to a witch hunt, people just make up crap about it they'd like to be true and reiterate their invention with no apparent need to back it up with evidence. Furthermore, I mean, really, just listen to yourself, "how the fuck can you claim sociopathy has nothing to do with a country operating like this?" Well, I dunno, has anyone even set Kim Jong Un down with a trained psychologist and the Hare Psychopathy Checklist? If you think about it, what you and others are defining sociopathy as is basically "Having done something horrible". No diagnosis necessary or investigation necessary beyond that, they're just a different species, the only cure is a bullet. And, you know, I think it's really cute, it's like humanity is giving itself a pat on the back, "There's never any worry we'd do such a thing, with our awesome capacity for empathy and all!"

Fantastic post Water.

 

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All this shit stops the nano-second China and Russia stop sending food.

a valid point, but the odds of them doing that are small...

1) N. Korea as is will continue to warrant some of our attention and that benefits Russia and China
2) as others have mentioned, China does not want those borders to open up as they would likely be the recipient of a lot of immigrants.

 

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Anyone see "The Reader"? Great flick about the whole Nazi "do what we're told" phenonemon.

I think Peter Gabriel has a song about that, as well.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
All this shit stops the nano-second China and Russia stop sending food.
a valid point, but the odds of them doing that are small...

1) N. Korea as is will continue to warrant some of our attention and that benefits Russia and China
2) as others have mentioned, China does not want those borders to open up as they would likely be the recipient of a lot of immigrants.

True enough, but a stable N. Korea benefits those two more....possibly a more "Hong Kong" approach from China?

 

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Anyone see "The Reader"? Great flick about the whole Nazi "do what we're told" phenonemon.

I think Peter Gabriel has a song about that, as well.

I have been meaning to watch that for years...

 

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True enough, but a stable N. Korea benefits those two more....possibly a more "Hong Kong" approach from China?

That would be ideal, but Hong Kong was already like that when China reclaimed control from the Evil Empire (yes, I am talking about the Brits... )

N Korea is in such shambles, they would not be able to simply say 'have at it'. A better solution would be to let them integrate back into one Korea, in a similar manner to Germany. But that too poses problems for Russia and China as they would lose much if not all of their control. They don't give a crap about the people of N Korea, so my guess is they just try to maintain the status quo with some quiet reprimands if Kim Jong Un gets too feisty.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
True enough, but a stable N. Korea benefits those two more....possibly a more "Hong Kong" approach from China?

That would be ideal, but Hong Kong was already like that when China reclaimed control from the Evil Empire (yes, I am talking about the Brits... )

N Korea is in such shambles, they would not be able to simply say 'have at it'. A better solution would be to let them integrate back into one Korea, in a similar manner to Germany. But that too poses problems for Russia and China as they would lose much if not all of their control. They don't give a crap about the people of N Korea, so my guess is they just try to maintain the status quo with some quiet reprimands if Kim Jong Un gets too feisty.

Given the irrational stance of N. Korea, the status quo won't hold for long...especially if mother nature decides to give them another slap. Whether it likes it or not, China is going to have to take a firm hand and "restructure" their gov't. It won't be ideal from a Euro-Western stand point, but it would be a hell of an improvement for the Korean people and a more stable situation for China (yeah, it's just my opinions and hopes, but I can dream, can't I?).

 

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Given the irrational stance of N. Korea, the status quo won't hold for long...especially if mother nature decides to give them another slap. Whether it likes it or not, China is going to have to take a firm hand and "restructure" their gov't. It won't be ideal from a Euro-Western stand point, but it would be a hell of an improvement for the Korean people and a more stable situation for China (yeah, it's just my opinions and hopes, but I can dream, can't I?).

I hope you are right. But this game went on a long time with Kim Jong Il... I think his son learned how to play it well. Act bat shit crazy for a while, they give you stuff to 'calm you down', wait a bit, start acting bat shit crazy again, they give you stuff... rinse repeat.

Hopefully something changes for the better as you outlined, but in my opinion, Kim Jong Un might ACTUALLY be bat shit crazy for real.