Our country shouldn’t don’t be as large as it is. The more power is centralized and consolidated the less of a voice is people have. This is why every election has become high stakes, because we have given so much ungodly amount of control to the federal government. If we had a loose confederation then We could be safe in our states and whoever being president wouldn’t be as big of an issue.
Taxation is immoral. I'll never think differently
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Our country shouldn’t don’t be as large as it is. The more power is centralized and consolidated the less of a voice is people have. This is why every election has become high stakes, because we have given so much ungodly amount of control to the federal government. If we had a loose confederation then We could be safe in our states and whoever being president wouldn’t be as big of an issue.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
I actually understand libertarianism as a personal philosophy....but as a governing or political philosophy there are just some ugly facts about human nature that Libertarians don't want to deal with. There are also ugly facts about governing and politics that they don't accept.
Is taxation immoral? For most of human history it has been. Most governments in history have been one form or another of kleptocracy's (and mostly still are to this day) where the ruling classes use coercion to take from those who produce to enrich themselves.
However there are many public services that enrich all of our lives and they have to be paid somehow. I'm all ears for a more equitable way of paying for these services than taxation. No one has ever come up with one that actually works.
Libertarians have the same credibility problem that Creationist and Supply Side Economist have. They can't show that libertarianism can work as a governing or political philosophy and until they do, they won't have much credibility. It's like they have this great idea of how the world should be ran but don't won't to provide the evidence that their ideas actually work or ignore ugly facts that indicate their ideas wouldn't work.
Bull shit!
The asshole who hold the "taxes are immoral" view...CAN VOTE WITH THEIR FEET RIGHT NOW.
They don't go because they are full of shit.
Mott the Hoople
Sweet Jane
Those are questions that Libertarians can't answer and that's why there are no Libertarian governments in the world.
Agsin, libertarians support limited taxation. I am not making a libertarian argument. I am making a moral one.
wrong. I explained it in post #16.
It's all about the Money. That's MY view.
How do you pay for anything?
You work and produce a commodity ---that others pay for.
When a Dictator "Nationalizes Large Industry" ---that dictator can't get the industry to pay taxes--- but it can earn its own income by selling to the public.
When EZ-Pass scans & collects money the government is at work and paying for itself as it goes.
Find an Industry that the government can own outright and let them turn a profit ---and if they need a bail out ---we can sue them
You work and produce a commodity ---that others pay for.
When a Dictator "Nationalizes Large Industry" ---that dictator can't get the industry to pay taxes--- but it can earn its own income by selling to the public.
When EZ-Pass scans & collects money the government is at work and paying for itself as it goes.
Find an Industry that the government can own outright and let them turn a profit ---and if they need a bail out ---we can sue them
Yeah, I have heard that a good chunk of society should die off before. So, that would be the elderly and the disabled, right?
Should we look to Ancient Greece for the models of the city-states?
That's true. I haven't seen a Libertarian government before, either.
possibly
A lot of Western cultures are based on Ancient Greece.
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He rose to prominence in early 2015 when he alleged, contrary to the dominant theory of Christiefanism of the time, that Bill Clintons' wife was indeed running for president and wasn't considering settling down to be a grandmother.
In 2016, Grind was one of the key figures in proposing the new revolutionary theory of "30% is not a rare occurrence" which shook up the JPP political landscape like no other theory ever had before.
His academic prowess, deep-level analysis and remarkable insight into human nature and psychology will undoubtedly result in further complexities being untangled and laid bare.
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They also don't reward laziness and then shun anyone who doesn't walk in lockstep with the majority.
Oh boy! Grind shows up and you immediately put on your knee pads. (shaking head) That's just ... I don't know, ... disgusting.
You can only take such a stand if you believe that anarchy is better than a civilized society with laws and rules. How old are you, if I may ask?
