Teach Racial History In Schools?

PoliTalker said:
The Trump Party: 'If we ignore racism it will just go away.'
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Yugoslavia and Balkanization. Not really a good strategy to compete on a world stage with China, Russia, and the other Autocrats.

"Balkanization is the fragmentation of a larger region or state into smaller regions or states, which may be hostile or uncooperative with one another. It is usually caused by differences of ethnicity, culture, and religion and some other factors such as past grievances.
Balkanization - Wikipedia"
 
Hello Jack,

Jack said:
Yes. From Pre-School on, we must drumbeat the difference between 'Black' and 'White'. We must stress on a daily basis how Black people came from Africa as Slaves, and White people came from Europe as Colonists and Conquerors. Only through constant re-inforcing of hatred can we ever become Brothers and Sisters. Whites need to know what they did, how they single-handedly fucked the world up. And Blacks need to know that whatever their shortcomings are, it's the White people that caused it. Naturally, we won't mention that Slavery has been around for 10,000 years nor that Blacks enslaved Blacks in Africa and sold them to whoever had the money. Africa would have put the First Man on the Moon, except ... for White people. Same with the Auto, another invention Black people would have invented ... except for White people. Electricity, Steam Engine, Nuclear Power, the list goes on, all could have been invented in Africa, but ... White people. Indoctrinating our young children with Racial Hatred would be good for America. Maybe we could have a Civil War? China and Russia would love that.

Good Thinking, Poli. Let's not try and live in a Post Racial society. Let's keep churning the pot. Why identify as 'Americans' when we can keep the division alive with racial designations like 'African-Americans'? I really doubt that do that anywhere else. 'African-French'? 'African-Argentine'? 'Africa-Filipino'?
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I don't think if we just ignore racism that it's gonna go away.

We've already tried that. It didn't work.

Something has to be done.

Maybe it begins with learning about our racial history.
 
Hello Jack,

Jack said:
I am serious. I support 'Brotherhood'. Poli sounds as though he wants to start teaching 'racial division' from kindergarten on. My opinion, probably not a useful topic at that age. Counter productive.
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New one on me.

Please quote where I said "start teaching 'racial division'" and I will be happy to own up to my comment.

No. I'm pretty sure I said we should teach about our racial history. I also alluded to a view that whatever we are teaching is inadequate.
 
Hello Jack,

Jack said:
I think it's a subject in a College Course where it can be discussed and analyzed to see if it is happening in any aspects of current life. Like in Housing, Employment, Law Enforcement.
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No. It can't wait until college.

Many people don't even go to college.

We have lots of racial tensions among people who never went to college.

It has to be addressed pretty early on. From the beginning. The whole way through.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Jack,



I don't think if we just ignore racism that it's gonna go away.

We've already tried that. It didn't work.

Something has to be done.

Maybe it begins with learning about our racial history.
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I don't think anybody has 'ignored racism'. We have tried to rectify it in the last 50 years. 'Equality' is the goal. Have we reached that?
'Something has to be done' ... agree, I support a unifying agenda of 'Brotherhood'. Teaching school children how their ancestors got fucked over by another ethnic group doesn't accomplish that Goal. It only teaches a reason for hatred. A basic roadmap to end up like Yugoslavia.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Hmm. So how would you teach it then? How would you explain, as Lefty mentioned, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and why it was necessary? When older kids are studying the Constitution and its amendments in civics class, how will you explain voting rights without mentioning race?

Basically the RW does not want race or discrimination or even slavery mentioned in school, period. They do not want the extermination of native people and their current fight for recognition to be taught either.

Why is that? It's not going away just because you try to whitewash it, pun intended.
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We learned about slavery and Indian genocide in school. That was a long time ago, too. All that stuff was already being taught.

Teaching racial hate and division is something newly introduced to schools.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Jack,



New one on me.

Please quote where I said "start teaching 'racial division'" and I will be happy to own up to my comment.

No. I'm pretty sure I said we should teach about our racial history. I also alluded to a view that whatever we are teaching is inadequate.
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Poli: "We need to teach our young people about the problem and talk about changing the way we think about this, maybe having some children try to approach it differently than their parents."
Jack: You seem to be saying you want children taught about past grievances so they can have a reason to be hateful.

NOT productive in my opinion.
 
It is not possible to teach high school students in American history classes about slavery and the civil rights movement, while pretending racism was not an underlying issue.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Jack,



No. It can't wait until college.

Many people don't even go to college.

We have lots of racial tensions among people who never went to college.

It has to be addressed pretty early on. From the beginning. The whole way through.
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CRT, in my opinion, is for people who have reached a level of maturity that they can 'tease out' any ongoing racial disparities in our Society today. 'Children' don't have that capability.
 
Hello Jack,

Jack said:
Poli: "We need to teach our young people about the problem and talk about changing the way we think about this, maybe having some children try to approach it differently than their parents."
Jack: You seem to be saying you want children taught about past grievances so they can have a reason to be hateful.

NOT productive in my opinion.
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That's reading things into what I said.

I will happily own up to whatever I said, but it has to be something I actually said, not 'seem to be saying.'
 
Matt Dillon said:
We learned about slavery and Indian genocide in school. That was a long time ago, too. All that stuff was already being taught.

Teaching racial hate and division is something newly introduced to schools.
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I'm not sure that is a reality. I think it's more of a propaganda tool of the Right-wing. But, yeah, I think we've all learned about the plight of the Native Americans and Slavery, and the Civil War.
 
Jack said:
I think it's a subject in a College Course where it can be discussed and analyzed to see if it is happening in any aspects of current life. Like in Housing, Employment, Law Enforcement.
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Pfft. Only white ppl believe that racism isn't still a thing in the U.S.
 
The idea behind the OP is that we recognize we have a problem in this country and we try to do something about it.

Anybody tries to say there is no racism then I would disagree. We have a race problem in America.

True or False:

We have a race problem in America.

If you say false, then you are a racist.

That's how I see it.
 
Cypress said:
It is not possible to teach high school students in American history classes about slavery and the civil rights movement, while pretending racism was not an underlying issue.
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'Slavery' was a world-wide practice for thousands of years. It was more of an 'economic' activity. This may shock you, but it's mentioned in the Bible.
'Civil Rights Movement' was about racism.
 
AProudLefty said:
True. They should start at middle school. But then again I am pretty sure they already know all about racism. :eek:
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Of course they do. Kids start hearing the hate stuff at home before they even start school, some of them. Mine did, from their dad's side of the family.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Jack,



That's reading things into what I said.

I will happily own up to whatever I said, but it has to be something I actually said, not 'seem to be saying.'
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You mentioned 'children'. And you mentioned giving one group of children a reason to hate another group of children. They are 'blank slates'. Why teach a reason to be hateful? At that age, what is the purpose?
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Pfft. Only white ppl believe that racism isn't still a thing in the U.S.
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:) I live in the South. 'Racism' is alive and well, ... both White and Black. They teach their children the Hatred. I used to think it would be over in a generation. Now, it will only be over when we become a Mixed Race people. That is why I support 'Dia de La Raza', a celebration of the New Race.
 
PoliTalker said:
The idea behind the OP is that we recognize we have a problem in this country and we try to do something about it.

Anybody tries to say there is no racism then I would disagree. We have a race problem in America.

True or False:

We have a race problem in America.

If you say false, then you are a racist.

That's how I see it.
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Yes. Some people are racist. Both Black and White. I support a Goal of 'Brotherhood'. Teaching 'A Reason to Hate' is not part of that Goal.
 
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