Teach Racial History In Schools?

Jack said:
I don't think anybody has 'ignored racism'. We have tried to rectify it in the last 50 years. 'Equality' is the goal. Have we reached that?
'Something has to be done' ... agree, I support a unifying agenda of 'Brotherhood'. Teaching school children how their ancestors got fucked over by another ethnic group doesn't accomplish that Goal. It only teaches a reason for hatred. A basic roadmap to end up like Yugoslavia.
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That is not true. We did not have Jim Crow to make things even. It was the opposite. The same for separate but unequal schools. The minorities were getting the shitty end of the stick.
Can you teach who we are without discussing slavery, the KKK and lynching? Can you be honest without discussing voter repression? We have had redlining for many decades keeping minorities poorer and unable to amass wealth. Video cameras showed us how cops treat minorities it is shameful and illegal.
It does not teach hatred. It shows it exists. Perhaps that generation will feel sorry and rectify it. Ours did not. The right wants to cover it up.
 
christiefan915 said:
I don't know what other perspective could be used to teach slavery. Something like "benevolent capitalists grew their businesses with some upaid but welcome help?"
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Were you taught that 'one in three Romans was a Slave'? That's a pretty widespread understanding. Weren't the Hebrews Slaves in Egypt? 'Slavery' was an established economic model used for thousands of years.
 
Matt Dillon said:
We learned about slavery and Indian genocide in school. That was a long time ago, too. All that stuff was already being taught.

Teaching racial hate and division is something newly introduced to schools.
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Yes, it would be very new if it was happening, which it is not. Teaching kids that racism was and is a factor in our national life is not teaching them to hate each other, nor is it meant to make white kids feel guilty. Do you think that teaching that stealing is wrong is creating criminals? Do you think that teaching about human reproduction is going to make kids rush out and try it to see if it works?
 
Jack said:
Were you taught that 'one in three Romans was a Slave'? That's a pretty widespread understanding. Weren't the Hebrews Slaves in Egypt? 'Slavery' was an established economic model used for thousands of years.
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Yes, I was taught those things but don't consider evil practices dating back millennia as justification for slavery in 19th century America.
 
Nordberg said:
That is not true. We did not have Jim Crow to make things even. It was the opposite. The same for separate but unequal schools. The minorities were getting the shitty end of the stick.
Can you teach who we are without discussing slavery, the KKK and lynching? Can you be honest without discussing voter repression? We have had redlining for many decades keeping minorities poorer and unable to amass wealth. Video cameras showed us how cops treat minorities it is shameful and illegal.
It does not teach hatred. It shows it exists. Perhaps that generation will feel sorry and rectify it. Ours did not. The right wants to cover it up.
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Jim Crow, lynchings, slavery, aren't happening NOW. Affirmative Action is happening NOW. I'm not sure which 'generation' you belonged to, mine has been fighting for Equality since the 60s.
 
Jack said:
:) Whataboutism what?
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Using this a a reason not to teach CRT? 'Slavery' was a world-wide practice for thousands of years. It was more of an 'economic' activity. This may shock you, but it's mentioned in the Bible.

It could be a foundation for teaching slavery. It would show how some human life was devalued as far back as recorded history goes.
 
Jack said:
'Slavery' was a world-wide practice for thousands of years. It was more of an 'economic' activity. This may shock you, but it's mentioned in the Bible.
'Civil Rights Movement' was about racism.
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The slavery in the ancient world wasn't based on racism. Anyone of any color could be a slave.

The confedates pointed to ancient Greece and Rome to justify slavery.

By the 19th century, the world had evolved and most of the civilized world outside the American south had banned the practice.

Pointing to Rome in the year 70 AD as an excuse just didn't cut the mustard anymore.
 
christiefan915 said:
Yes, I was taught those things but don't consider evil practices dating back millennia as justification for slavery in 19th century America.
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Well, that's the point. It was a world wide practice that had been going on for a long time.
Did you know that a lot of White people fought in a War to end the practice?
 
Nordberg said:
That is not true. We did not have Jim Crow to make things even. It was the opposite. The same for separate but unequal schools. The minorities were getting the shitty end of the stick.
Can you teach who we are without discussing slavery, the KKK and lynching? Can you be honest without discussing voter repression? We have had redlining for many decades keeping minorities poorer and unable to amass wealth. Video cameras showed us how cops treat minorities it is shameful and illegal.
It does not teach hatred. It shows it exists. Perhaps that generation will feel sorry and rectify it. Ours did not. The right wants to cover it up.
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Exactly, because they do not want anything to change.

Young people now, including my kids (who are in their 30s and 40s) are FAR less bigoted than our generation was and is. We owe much of that to so-called "liberal" education that did not flinch from teaching real history, including the fact that many Americans have been mistreated due solely to their genetics. Interracial marriages are more common and mixed-race children are not as shunned as in the past. Hiring and housing discrimination, and other aspects of civic life, are now forbidden -- again because of awareness and "liberal" legislators.

Things still have a long ways to go, but pretending we're there yet is no solution.
 
christiefan915 said:
Using this a a reason not to teach CRT? 'Slavery' was a world-wide practice for thousands of years. It was more of an 'economic' activity. This may shock you, but it's mentioned in the Bible.

It could be a foundation for teaching slavery. It would show how some human life was devalued as far back as recorded history goes.
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Yes. Yes. That would be the point. White people were slaves, Asians were slaves, Native People were slaves, not just Black people. An 'Economic System'.
But, yes, most slaves in America were Black. And the ongoing discrimination has left that group at a huge economic disadvantage.
 
Cypress said:
The slavery in the ancient world wasn't based on racism. Anyone of any color could be a slave.

The confedates pointed to ancient Greece and Rome to justify slavery.

By the 19th century, the world had evolved and most of the civilized world outside the American south had banned the practice.

Pointing to Rome in the year 70 AD as an excuse just didn't cut the mustard anymore.
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Yep. A War had to be fought.

"On May 13, 1888, Brazilian Princess Isabel of Bragança signed Imperial Law number 3,353. Although it contained just 18 words, it is one of the most important pieces of legislation in Brazilian history. Called the “Golden Law,” it abolished slavery in all its forms.May 13, 2020

Slavery in Brazil | Wilson Center"
 
Jack said:
Jim Crow, lynchings, slavery, aren't happening NOW. Affirmative Action is happening NOW. I'm not sure which 'generation' you belonged to, mine has been fighting for Equality since the 60s.
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Redlining and voter repression are happening now. Police abuse of minorities is happening now. Separate and unequal schools are happening now. We tried to end segregation and it has returned.
 
Jack said:
CRT, in my opinion, is for people who have reached a level of maturity that they can 'tease out' any ongoing racial disparities in our Society today. 'Children' don't have that capability.
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Which is why "CRT" is not taught in primary and secondary public schools, despite the Reichwingers' insistence that it is.
 
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