The 2'nd Amendment ONLY applies to Americans in the military (full-time or reserves)

Dutch Uncle said:
You're not wrong. The First Amendment allows freedom of association. The Second Amendment says they can do it with arms.

That said, guns are not restricted to a militia. The right of citizens to have arms is essential to a community being able to form a militia.
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Why? A State forming a militia also provides the weapons for that militia.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
The militia referred to in the 2nd Amendement is clearly NOT the United States military.
A militia is formed by its own civilian members,
and those members are almost all--probably all without a qualifier--"fuckin' retahds" as we call them in Boston.

Fuck guns.
Guns are the least of our problems.
We live in a time when getting shot could be a lucky break for most of us.

Let's talk about serious things.

The American republic is dead.
Total dystopia cannot be avoided because
so many Americans deserve nothing better, nor do they have the capacity or ability to do better anyway.

Republicans, with no exceptions whatsoever, are vile troglodytes. That includes the ones that call themselves "libertarians" instead.

Democrats are mostly pathetic pollyannas or craven cowards incapable of doing what's necessary, even if their hearts are in the right place.
Hearts are useless without guts and balls. We don't have enough people in our number with either.

Independents are fucking clueless. They stand for NOTHING and thus fall for anything.

Without good people, how the fuck are we supposed to have a good, just, functioning republic?

We're fucking dead in the water as a functioning republic.
We're most of the way there as a fucking corporate plutocracy
which itself is already collapsing into dysfunctional anarchy mainly due to actually getting its way and what has to inevitably come with that.

Our constitution gave us, beyond ANY credible argument, the most inefficient government on the face of the earth.
That was exacerbated by giving primitive rural conservatives MUCH more representation in government that their numbers would justify.

WHAT OTHER PROGRESSIVE LIBERALS ON THIS FORUM ARE EVEN TALKING ABOUT THAT?
Blame the Constitution? Who has the balls to do that? Me, mainly, and possibly Cinnebar, I'm not sure. WHO ELSE?
Who else can think for him/herself? How can people even survive to adulthood being such hopeless puppets of true believerism?

I'm not trying to make an argument to anybody, here.
What's the point?
Who on this forum has the will to do anything about it, even if he/she had the ability to work toward that?

You can't do shit with true believer puppets.

No, I'm just venting for me, and if you don't like it, put me on ignore.
That's where I have most of you, as you know already.
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It's not about government 'efficiency'. NO government is 'efficient', since NO government is funded through anything but taxes. Yes...even governments that print their own money.
 
Rune said:
Go ahead and prove that the second doesn't apply to the unenrolled militia.
Good luck.

FYI, we'll regulated doesn't mean what you think it means.
Not even close.
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There is no such thing as an 'unenrolled militia'. A militia is an organized army. The 2nd amendment applies everywhere in the United States, and to every State and to every person.
 
Concart said:
Yep, bingo. That being said....... the government has the right, and exercises that right, to abridge freedom of speech and prohibit the free exercise of religion in cases where the public interest outweighs the right. NONE of these rights is unfettered.
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1st Amendment said:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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The federal government has no right or authority to abridge freedom of speech.
The federal government has no right or authority to prohibit the free exercise of any religion.
There are NO exceptions.
 
Into the Night said:
They are not. Redefinition fallacy.

No, they are not. See the constitutions of the various States.

Void argument fallacy.

Redefinition fallacy.

You are wrong.

A militia is organized by a State to defend itself. Every State has this right, just as the federal government itself has this right. A national militia also exists, organized by the federal government. It is called the National Guard.
People are just that...people. They do not have to be part of any militia.

You should check the constitution of the State you are in. Most of these State constitutions do not allow people to form private militias. They do, however, reiterate the right of the people to keep and bear Arms.
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Trolling. Fallacy fallacy. Dismissed.
 
domer76 said:
The problem with your “in the language of today” is that it doesn’t apply to the language of the day in which the amendment was written.
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The language hasn't changed here. It means the same thing as when it was written.
domer76 said:
In the language of the day, the term “to bear arms” was in a military context.
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Never did.
domer76 said:
One did not “bear arms” to go shoot dinner.
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Yes they did.
domer76 said:
They bore arms to fight an enemy.
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They did that too.
domer76 said:
The founders had great disdain for a standing army,
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You don't get to speak for the dead. I guess you figure the founders had a great disdain for the Patriot army.
domer76 said:
and thus the need for a well regulated militia.
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Non-sequitur fallacy.
domer76 said:
Today, that has no relevance,
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There certainly is. States STILL have the right to form well regulated militias to defend themselves.
domer76 said:
as our standing military is the largest in the history of mankind.
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Nope. The largest military today is Vietnam, with some 10 million active duty and reservists, as opposed to the federal military with only 2.2 million.
 
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