The American Way.

Frank Apisa said:
Wow. Well...ummm...okay.

A bit extreme...but I get your point.

I wonder if the lesson could be taught without the executions and stringing of bodies, though.
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lesson could be taught with the executions and stringing up of bodies


Now THIS is the American way...…..at least it's always been that way for minorities. This is how lessons were and still are taught.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Wow. Well...ummm...okay.

A bit extreme...but I get your point.

I wonder if the lesson could be taught without the executions and stringing of bodies, though.
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The dem party is the only party who has attempted to do anything. What little strides we have made have come from the dems and left.

There is no other party. Every other party is nothing more than republicans in disguise.
 
TTQ64 said:
Capitalism = Slavery.
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Capitalism equals lots of things...most of them negatives for humanity...

...but this discussion is not going to progress with slogans.

So whether capitalism equals slavery...or socialism equals slavery...or neither equals slavery is irrelevant.

Bigger fish to fry.
 
montgomery said:
You mentioned 'transistion' and so that tells me you have the key in your pocket. And I'll at least say that a transitioning is as good a way of accmplishing the goal as an outright abandoning of the Dem party. However, I suggest that it could have it's pitfalls because it leaves open the opportunity of the Dem party lying to the people in order to save their asses and the asses of the establishment.

For example, the Dem party's adopted position of Russia/Putin hate is completely contrary to a new and successful move for America. The rest of the world has grown too strong now for the usual US confrontational way of doing business. Co-operation is the only way of making it work for the future.

And thanks for taking part on this topic and your useful and well thought out replies.
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We just need to stop voting in blue dog dems, moderate dems and DEMS WHO WANT BIPARTISIANSHIP AND COMPROMISE.

As long as we keep compromising with the hate and greed, we wont move forward.
 
montgomery said:
The American way, which is promoted by both major parties, can't work in a 21st. century world. Sharing the wealth between the world's countries on an international basis, and sharing the wealth in America are not in sync with the American way.

What does the American Way mean to you?

To start the discussion off: Trump is causing larger wealth inequality which is the exact opposite of what is needed in America. Promotion of that sort of ideology is an example of 'the American way'.
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I find the term "sharing wealth" to be dishonest and uneducated. What is this "sharing of wealth" and why do people need to "share" it? Liberals lack the basic understanding of economics and how they work and ignorantly believe that the worlds economies are somehow finite and thereofre, if someone has more, someone else must have gotten less.

Nothing could be further from the truth. We don't need to "share wealth." We need to CREATE more wealth. That cannot be done using Marxist Collectivist dogma.
 
TTQ64 said:
lesson could be taught with the executions and stringing up of bodies


Now THIS is the American way...…..at least it's always been that way for minorities. This is how lessons were and still are taught.
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Not sure of what you are saying here.
 
LV426 said:
I don't think you can co-operate with Russia, but I think you can with our traditional European allies. I do think we need to be more confrontational to Russian cyber aggression, and the sanctions were a key part of that. But Trump...you know...not enforcing sanctions and having the GOP defend Russia...

For me, any candidate that brags about their "moderate" bonafides is a non-starter candidate for me. I don't want moderates because the Overton window has been pushed so far to the right that "moderate" is just code for "Republican circa 1992"; pre-Gingrich, but still sucky.
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You win the internet today!
 
kudzu said:
Did you actually READ what Montgomery wrote?

The middle class in America is shrinking. Is THAT the American way?
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What is with all the lying from the left these days?

In Most States, the Middle Class Is Now Growing — But Slowly.
https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/resear...es-the-middle-class-is-now-growing-but-slowly

U.S. middle-class incomes reached highest-ever level in 2016, Census Bureau says
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ec2d7f5d82a7

The Growth of the World’s Middle Class May Be the Greatest Story of Our Age
https://fee.org/articles/the-growth...e-class-may-be-the-greatest-story-of-our-age/
 
TTQ64 said:
The dem party is the only party who has attempted to do anything. What little strides we have made have come from the dems and left.

There is no other party. Every other party is nothing more than republicans in disguise.
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In my opinion, the essentials of the Democratic Party "solutions" are are only marginally more effective than the "solutions" offered by the Republicans. That is to say, probably not effective at all.

The problem is vastly larger than either political party can deal with. The political parties must deal primarily with the political impact of any suggested remedies...and none of the "remedies" are going to have much political traction.

The left/right axis outside of the political sphere probably cannot handle this issue either.

A real solution will only be found in a profound and radical break with a dynamic held sacrosanct by both left and right and Democrats, Republicans, and Independents.

That "dynamic" is reasonably characterized as "the Protestant work-ethic."

Before any "solution" will be found for the problem being discussed here...the Protestant work-ethic has to be identified as the anachronism it is...and done away with.

Eliminated completely!
 
Frank Apisa said:
Capitalism equals lots of things...most of them negatives for humanity...

...but this discussion is not going to progress with slogans.

So whether capitalism equals slavery...or socialism equals slavery...or neither equals slavery is irrelevant.

Bigger fish to fry.
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When you come from where I come from and see what I have seen.....capitalism IS the big fish.

This discussion could go on without every bringing up slavery or the negative ills that capitalism REALLY brings to minorities. I'm adding to the discussion a perspective that isn't usually seen though the eyes of those who don't live it.

The American way should be about inclusion even if it means including positions and negative societial ills of minorities. We shouldn't dismiss their concerns as if they aren't valid. We have been fighting for hundreds of years for equality.

That is if you want all things to be equal.
 
montgomery said:
Basically, the American way is about greedy capitalism that is flaunted on the people for the purpose of enriching the 1%, at the expense of the other 99%. And the American people have continued to buy into it. The Trump scam and Bernie's honest approach were to be the answers to the people who were finally saying that they had enough of it. But then we know what happened to that effort.
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You're full of shit; but then, you're a Canadian who is jealous of America and see your own country turning into a Socialist shit hole.

Americans are the most generous people in the world
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/americans-are-the-most-generous-people-in-the-world-2015-06-16

World's most big-hearted nation: the United States
https://www.cnbc.com/2013/12/03/worlds-most-big-hearted-nation-the-united-states.html
 
LV426 said:
It's only been a disaster because you've taken a laissez-faire approach to policing predatory capitalism. You're the ones who don't want to constrain business and let the invisible hand do its thing. So I'm not sure why you think that approach is a disaster since it's the approach you wanted.
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Lie and lame; we have never had laissez-faire. Why do low IQ leftists always gave to lie?
 
Frank Apisa said:
Not sure of what you are saying here.
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I'm saying the American way executes and strings up Black bodies to teach lessons to Blacks on how to behave.

It's an absurd and cruel thought, but it happens in my community on a daily basis. It's the American way that we know.
 
Fentoine Lum said:
The american way means what it always has; wealth extraction, concentration and redistribution by whatever means necessary to infinity, the collapse of the empire, or the destruction of the ecosystem, whichever comes first. Once a society reaches and begins to surpass our current level of wealth inequality/inequity, history tells us societies break one of two ways, either toward uprising or toward a police state.
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The bolded has pegged the bullshit meter.

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Fentoine Lum said:
The Dems funtion is that of a pressure relase valve when the ruling aristocracy cannot contain itself, they will not be an answer the people can count upon. FDR saved capitalism once. No one on the horizon to do that again, and the american people at the moment are an utterly subjugated lot awaiting a savior from the Wall Street/donor/"job creator" class to save them from his own tribe. Highly unlikely.
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The bolded has pegged the bullshit meter.

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LV426 said:
Look, Putin's stated goal is to destroy western democracy. That's what he wants. That objective hasn't changed since when he was a KGB operative. He destroys it by going after our greatest weakness; our love of devices and the Internet. He's weaponized that against us and he did so because that's the only way he can wage war in the 21st century.
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....and the Democratic Party of the Jackass are doing everything they can to help him accomplish that. Yay you!
 
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