APP - The BBC asks "where's global warming?"

Thomas Fuchs does an excellent job of presenting what's going on. after you read what he has to say, go to climate audit and read Steve's analysis. Kinda hard to argue that we should be setting policy based on a study that used a tiny sample of trees out of a much larger potential sample, and also magically included the trees with greatest anomaly skewed in the favor of CO2 warming theorists who created the study.

Obvious fraud is obvious

http://www.examiner.com/x-9111-SF-E...f-tree-rings-global-warming-and-Fangorns-Ents




In the ongoing saga of the tree rings at the end of the world (the English translation of Yamal), there appeared today two responses from the coterie of scientists that have systematically used controversial techniques to create the impression that global warming is happening much faster than previously believed, but have fought tooth and nail to avoid releasing the data behind their publications.

The first was a fairly gracious response from the paper's author, Keith Briffa: "We have not yet had a chance to explore the details of McIntyre's analysis or its implication for temperature reconstruction at Yamal but we have done considerably more analyses exploring chronology production and temperature calibration that have relevance to this issue but they are not yet published. I do not believe that McIntyre's preliminary post provides sufficient evidence to doubt the reality of unusually high summer temperatures in the last decades of the 20th century. We will expand on this initial comment on the McIntyre posting when we have had a chance to review the details of his work."

But the second was a semi-hysterical rant from the Real Climate weblog where the scientists involved are principal contributors. As Roger Pielke Jr. points out, "Steve McIntyre must be on to something, judging by the nasty and vituperative comments coming from Real Climate, where Gavin Schmidt levels a serious allegation: 'So along comes Steve McIntyre, self-styled slayer of hockey sticks, who declares without any evidence whatsoever that [Keith] Briffa didn’t just reprocess the data from the Russians, but instead supposedly picked through it to give him the signal he wanted. These allegations have been made without any evidence whatsoever.

I have followed this issue closely, and it is clear that Steve McIntyre "declared" no such thing. In fact he declared exactly the opposite:

(McIntyre): "I don't wish to unintentionally feed views that I don't hold. It is not my belief that Briffa crudely cherry picked. My guess is that the Russians selected a limited number of 200-400 year trees - that's what they say - a number that might well have been appropriate for their purpose and that Briffa inherited their selection - a selection which proved to be far from random and which, as you and I agree, falls vastly short of standards in the field for RCS chronology (as opposed to corridor or spline chronologies)."

(Pielke Jr.) Gavin's outright lie about McIntyre is an obvious attempt to distract attention from the possibility that Steve may have scored another scalp in the Hockey Stick wars. Rather than distract attention from McIntyre, Gavin's most recent lie simply adds to the list of climate scientists behaving badly. When will these guys learn?

The sarcastic and insulting reply from Real Climate included a number of charts showing hockey sticks developed by other members of the team using the same suspect analysis and the same hidden data sets as if that would prove McIntyre wrong. What it proved was how important--and how threatening--McIntyre's analysis must look to these scientists, who have served as each other's co-authors and peer reviewers for over a decade.

However, McIntyre, while keeping fairly quiet himself, is not without his defenders:

We start with Ross McKitrick: "Beginning in 2003, I worked with Stephen McIntyre to replicate a famous result in paleoclimatology known as the Hockey Stick graph. Developed by a U.S. climatologist named Michael Mann, it was a statistical compilation of tree ring data supposedly proving that air temperatures had been stable for 900 years, then soared off the charts in the 20th century. Prior to the publication of the Hockey Stick, scientists had held that the medieval-era was warmer than the present, making the scale of 20th century global warming seem relatively unimportant. The dramatic revision to this view occasioned by the Hockey Stick’s publication made it the poster child of the global warming movement."

"Most of the proxy data does not show anything unusual about the 20th century. But two data series have reappeared over and over that do have a hockey stick shape. One was the flawed bristlecone data that the National Academy of Sciences panel said should not be used, so the studies using it can be set aside. The second was a tree ring curve from the Yamal Peninsula in Siberia, compiled by UK scientist Keith Briffa."

"Briffa had published a paper in 1995 claiming that the medieval period actually contained the coldest year of the millennium. But this claim depended on just three tree ring records (called cores) from the Polar Urals. Later, a colleague of his named F. H. Schweingruber produced a much larger sample from the Polar Urals, but it told a very different story: The medieval era was actually quite warm and the late 20th century was unexceptional. Briffa and Schweingruber never published those data, instead they dropped the Polar Urals altogether from their climate reconstruction papers.

In its place they used a new series that Briffa had calculated from tree ring data from the nearby Yamal Peninsula that had a pronounced Hockey Stick shape: relatively flat for 900 years then sharply rising in the 20th century. This Yamal series was a composite of an undisclosed number of individual tree cores. In order to check the steps involved in producing the composite, it would be necessary to have the individual tree ring measurements themselves. But Briffa didn’t release his raw data.

Over the next nine years, at least one paper per year appeared in prominent journals using Briffa’s Yamal composite to support a hockey stick-like result. The IPCC relied on these studies to defend the Hockey Stick view, and since it had appointed Briffa himself to be the IPCC Lead Author for this topic, there was no chance it would question the Yamal data.

Despite the fact that these papers appeared in top journals like Nature and Science, none of the journal reviewers or editors ever required Briffa to release his Yamal data. Steve McIntyre’s repeated requests for them to uphold their own data disclosure rules were ignored."

"The key ingredient in most of the studies that have been invoked to support the Hockey Stick, namely the Briffa Yamal series, depends on the influence of a woefully thin subsample of trees and the exclusion of readily-available data for the same area. Whatever is going on here, it is not science."

Read the whole thing.

And Jeff Id from The Air Vent continues in the same vein: "Their (Real Climate's) post is very silly from a scientific perspective but will read well for their attack dogs." He goes on to pick apart their rant in thorough detail.

More to come. Including the explanation of Fangorn's Ents.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6870856/

Sorry, msnbc isn't a news organization.

Translation: the facts reported in the news report contradict the assertions and conclusions of what the neocon AsshatZombie presented....so since he has neither the ability or inclination to try and disprove what is presented point for point, he goes the usual Karl Rove road.....slander the source and ignore the information.
 
Thomas Fuchs does an excellent job of presenting what's going on. after you read what he has to say, go to climate audit and read Steve's analysis. Kinda hard to argue that we should be setting policy based on a study that used a tiny sample of trees out of a much larger potential sample, and also magically included the trees with greatest anomaly skewed in the favor of CO2 warming theorists who created the study.

Obvious fraud is obvious

http://www.examiner.com/x-9111-SF-E...f-tree-rings-global-warming-and-Fangorns-Ents




In the ongoing saga of the tree rings at the end of the world (the English translation of Yamal), there appeared today two responses from the coterie of scientists that have systematically used controversial techniques to create the impression that global warming is happening much faster than previously believed, but have fought tooth and nail to avoid releasing the data behind their publications.

The first was a fairly gracious response from the paper's author, Keith Briffa: "We have not yet had a chance to explore the details of McIntyre's analysis or its implication for temperature reconstruction at Yamal but we have done considerably more analyses exploring chronology production and temperature calibration that have relevance to this issue but they are not yet published. I do not believe that McIntyre's preliminary post provides sufficient evidence to doubt the reality of unusually high summer temperatures in the last decades of the 20th century. We will expand on this initial comment on the McIntyre posting when we have had a chance to review the details of his work."

But the second was a semi-hysterical rant from the Real Climate weblog where the scientists involved are principal contributors. As Roger Pielke Jr. points out, "Steve McIntyre must be on to something, judging by the nasty and vituperative comments coming from Real Climate, where Gavin Schmidt levels a serious allegation: 'So along comes Steve McIntyre, self-styled slayer of hockey sticks, who declares without any evidence whatsoever that [Keith] Briffa didn’t just reprocess the data from the Russians, but instead supposedly picked through it to give him the signal he wanted. These allegations have been made without any evidence whatsoever.

I have followed this issue closely, and it is clear that Steve McIntyre "declared" no such thing. In fact he declared exactly the opposite:

(McIntyre): "I don't wish to unintentionally feed views that I don't hold. It is not my belief that Briffa crudely cherry picked. My guess is that the Russians selected a limited number of 200-400 year trees - that's what they say - a number that might well have been appropriate for their purpose and that Briffa inherited their selection - a selection which proved to be far from random and which, as you and I agree, falls vastly short of standards in the field for RCS chronology (as opposed to corridor or spline chronologies)."

(Pielke Jr.) Gavin's outright lie about McIntyre is an obvious attempt to distract attention from the possibility that Steve may have scored another scalp in the Hockey Stick wars. Rather than distract attention from McIntyre, Gavin's most recent lie simply adds to the list of climate scientists behaving badly. When will these guys learn?

The sarcastic and insulting reply from Real Climate included a number of charts showing hockey sticks developed by other members of the team using the same suspect analysis and the same hidden data sets as if that would prove McIntyre wrong. What it proved was how important--and how threatening--McIntyre's analysis must look to these scientists, who have served as each other's co-authors and peer reviewers for over a decade.

However, McIntyre, while keeping fairly quiet himself, is not without his defenders:

We start with Ross McKitrick: "Beginning in 2003, I worked with Stephen McIntyre to replicate a famous result in paleoclimatology known as the Hockey Stick graph. Developed by a U.S. climatologist named Michael Mann, it was a statistical compilation of tree ring data supposedly proving that air temperatures had been stable for 900 years, then soared off the charts in the 20th century. Prior to the publication of the Hockey Stick, scientists had held that the medieval-era was warmer than the present, making the scale of 20th century global warming seem relatively unimportant. The dramatic revision to this view occasioned by the Hockey Stick’s publication made it the poster child of the global warming movement."

"Most of the proxy data does not show anything unusual about the 20th century. But two data series have reappeared over and over that do have a hockey stick shape. One was the flawed bristlecone data that the National Academy of Sciences panel said should not be used, so the studies using it can be set aside. The second was a tree ring curve from the Yamal Peninsula in Siberia, compiled by UK scientist Keith Briffa."

"Briffa had published a paper in 1995 claiming that the medieval period actually contained the coldest year of the millennium. But this claim depended on just three tree ring records (called cores) from the Polar Urals. Later, a colleague of his named F. H. Schweingruber produced a much larger sample from the Polar Urals, but it told a very different story: The medieval era was actually quite warm and the late 20th century was unexceptional. Briffa and Schweingruber never published those data, instead they dropped the Polar Urals altogether from their climate reconstruction papers.

In its place they used a new series that Briffa had calculated from tree ring data from the nearby Yamal Peninsula that had a pronounced Hockey Stick shape: relatively flat for 900 years then sharply rising in the 20th century. This Yamal series was a composite of an undisclosed number of individual tree cores. In order to check the steps involved in producing the composite, it would be necessary to have the individual tree ring measurements themselves. But Briffa didn’t release his raw data.

Over the next nine years, at least one paper per year appeared in prominent journals using Briffa’s Yamal composite to support a hockey stick-like result. The IPCC relied on these studies to defend the Hockey Stick view, and since it had appointed Briffa himself to be the IPCC Lead Author for this topic, there was no chance it would question the Yamal data.

Despite the fact that these papers appeared in top journals like Nature and Science, none of the journal reviewers or editors ever required Briffa to release his Yamal data. Steve McIntyre’s repeated requests for them to uphold their own data disclosure rules were ignored."

"The key ingredient in most of the studies that have been invoked to support the Hockey Stick, namely the Briffa Yamal series, depends on the influence of a woefully thin subsample of trees and the exclusion of readily-available data for the same area. Whatever is going on here, it is not science."

Read the whole thing.

And Jeff Id from The Air Vent continues in the same vein: "Their (Real Climate's) post is very silly from a scientific perspective but will read well for their attack dogs." He goes on to pick apart their rant in thorough detail.

More to come. Including the explanation of Fangorn's Ents.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6870856/
 
Translation: the facts reported in the news report contradict the assertions and conclusions of what the neocon AsshatZombie presented....so since he has neither the ability or inclination to try and disprove what is presented point for point, he goes the usual Karl Rove road.....slander the source and ignore the information.
So is that the "translation" of what the Obama Admin says about Fox, or are you a huge partisan hypocrite?
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Translation: the facts reported in the news report contradict the assertions and conclusions of what the neocon AsshatZombie presented....so since he has neither the ability or inclination to try and disprove what is presented point for point, he goes the usual Karl Rove road.....slander the source and ignore the information.

So is that the "translation" of what the Obama Admin says about Fox, or are you a huge partisan hypocrite?

Damo, for someone always claiming not to be a neocon, you sure as hell do a great impression of regurgitating their convoluted BS.

No translation necessary if you've been paying attention for the last 8 years....especially since November of 2008. Where Obama is concerned, FOX News is about as objective as the Pope is on abortion rights. If you have any doubt, take a gander at the following:

http://www.newshounds.us/2009/10/23...efore_obama_was_at_war_with_fox_news.php#more
 
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Damo, for someone always claiming not to be a neocon, you sure as hell do a great impression of regurgitating their convoluted BS.

No translation necessary if you've been paying attention for the last 8 years....especially since November of 2008. Where Obama is concerned, FOX News is about as objective as the Pope is on abortion rights. If you have any doubt, take a gander at the following:

http://www.newshounds.us/2009/10/23...efore_obama_was_at_war_with_fox_news.php#more
So, your answer is that you are a huge hypocrite. I'm good with that, I just wanted you to be clear.
 
Damo, for someone always claiming not to be a neocon, you sure as hell do a great impression of regurgitating their convoluted BS.

No translation necessary if you've been paying attention for the last 8 years....especially since November of 2008. Where Obama is concerned, FOX News is about as objective as the Pope is on abortion rights. If you have any doubt, take a gander at the following:

http://www.newshounds.us/2009/10/23...efore_obama_was_at_war_with_fox_news.php#more


Obama lost this war, so live with and get over it. :good4u:
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Damo, for someone always claiming not to be a neocon, you sure as hell do a great impression of regurgitating their convoluted BS.

No translation necessary if you've been paying attention for the last 8 years....especially since November of 2008. Where Obama is concerned, FOX News is about as objective as the Pope is on abortion rights. If you have any doubt, take a gander at the following:

http://www.newshounds.us/2009/10/23/..._news.php#more

So, your answer is that you are a huge hypocrite. I'm good with that, I just wanted you to be clear.

Thanks for proving the highlighted sentence, Damo. Now, why don't you run along and join the other neocon geniuses on these boards in maudlin exchange for justification of your BS. :cof1:
 
Thanks for proving the highlighted sentence, Damo. Now, why don't you run along and join the other neocon geniuses on these boards in maudlin exchange for justification of your BS. :cof1:
:facepalm:

I am just glad that you are so comfortable in your own hypocrisy. I find it interesting that you take my points as some indication of "neocon"...

Please tell me, can you define neocon and show how pointing out your hypocrisy is part of that definition? I'm reasonably sure that in no definition I have ever read or expounded upon was there mention of pointing out hypocrisies of partisan hacks.

My bet is you will not even bother trying to back up your assertions with any sort of definition, nor be capable of creating a link to my capacity to see your hypocrisy.
 
:facepalm:

I am just glad that you are so comfortable in your own hypocrisy. I find it interesting that you take my points as some indication of "neocon"...

Please tell me, can you define neocon and show how pointing out your hypocrisy is part of that definition? I'm reasonably sure that in no definition I have ever read or expounded upon was there mention of pointing out hypocrisies of partisan hacks.

It's because his mommy said so.
 
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I am just glad that you are so comfortable in your own hypocrisy. I find it interesting that you take my points as some indication of "neocon"...

Stop acting simple, will ya please? You're sounding EXACTLY like USFreedumb. You can make an accusation all you want...that doesn't excuse the documented FACT that you completely ignored the examples I gave earlier, or my fact based dismantling of the previous BS from the other neocon numbskull that spurred you to this current blathering. You can talk all the self delusional BS you want, but the recorded posts tell a different story.

Please tell me, can you define neocon and show how pointing out your hypocrisy is part of that definition? I'm reasonably sure that in no definition I have ever read or expounded upon was there mention of pointing out hypocrisies of partisan hacks.

So far, you keep making the accusation of hypocrisy...but have yet to logically prove it by any of the posts I've made on this particular thread....so essentially you're just blowing smoke. Secondly, you insist upon parroting the same rhetoric that neocons use whenever faced with concrete evidence as to the wrongdoing of their icons and leaders....they never discuss the evidence, they just make accusations and slander in an effort to move off topic...as you've done here. You can repeat your BS until doomsday, but the recorded posts will always be your undoing.

My bet is you will not even bother trying to back up your assertions with any sort of definition, nor be capable of creating a link to my capacity to see your hypocrisy.

Don't bet the farm on it, Damo. So far you're all talk and no substance. Your making accusations while ignoring previous information and posts, and then you build on that faulty premise as if it's gospel. Only in your mind, Damo. Stop BS'ing and get your ass in gear, because if I want to sink to the level you're creating, I'll take Freedumb off of IA.
 
LOL the dude linked the same dumb article. Obviously, statistics is not within your grasp, I see.

I don't know how to explain it better but it's something like this:

Scientist chooses proxy data that skews the sample in favor of CO2 theory predicted results.

Scientist claims the study supports CO2 theory.
Scientist witholds data for decade(FRAUD) while others attempt to replicate his work(SCIENCE)

When the data is finally obtained (through freedom of information act) the data used in the sample is found to be cherry picked.

The whole IPCC hockey stick rode on theis study.. that used 12 fucking trees

But the warmers "trust peer reviewed" studies

LOLZ
 
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http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2009/2009GL039186.shtml

An updated Antarctic melt record through 2009 and its linkages to high-latitude and tropical climate variability
An updated Antarctic melt record through 2009 and its linkages to high-latitude and tropical climate variability

Marco Tedesco

Earth and Atmospheric Sciences, City College of New York, New York, New York, USA

Andrew J. Monaghan

National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, Colorado, USA

A 30-year minimum Antarctic snowmelt record occurred during austral summer 2008–2009 according to spaceborne microwave observations for 1980–2009. Strong positive phases of both the El-Niño Southern Oscillation (ENSO) and the Southern Hemisphere Annular Mode (SAM) were recorded during the months leading up to and including the 2008–2009 melt season. The 30-year record confirms that significant negative correlations exist at regional and continental scales between austral summer melting and both the ENSO and SAM indices for October–January. In particular, the strongest negative melting anomalies (such as those in 2008 and 2009) are related to amplified large-scale atmospheric forcing when both the SAM and ENSO are in positive phases. Our results suggest that enhanced snowmelt is likely to occur if recent positive summer SAM trends subside in conjunction with the projected recovery of stratospheric ozone levels, with subsequent impacts on ice sheet mass balance and sea level trends.

Received 13 May 2009; accepted 12 August 2009; published 24 September 2009.

Citation: Tedesco, M., and A. J. Monaghan (2009), An updated Antarctic melt record through 2009 and its linkages to high-latitude and tropical climate variability, Geophys. Res. Lett., 36, L18502, doi:10.1029/2009GL039186.
 
Thanks for proving the highlighted sentence, Damo. Now, why don't you run along and join the other neocon geniuses on these boards in maudlin exchange for justification of your BS. :cof1:

Freakin' unbelievable. "Obama's a Muslim, Obama's a natural-born Kenyan, Obama-Osama, Obama and his wife exchanged terrorist fist jabs, Obama's a socialist/communist/anti-American", ad nauseum.

The internet is crawling with misstatements, inaccuracies and lies regarding Obama, and Faux is one of the biggest offenders. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure that out. I'd like to see these hacks pick out a few controversies from the sites below, and explain why they aren't biased against Obama.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News_Channel_controversies

http://www.newshounds.us/2009/07/03/is_fox_nation_in_bed_with_newsbusters.php
 
Don't bet the farm on it, Damo. So far you're all talk and no substance. Your making accusations while ignoring previous information and posts, and then you build on that faulty premise as if it's gospel. Only in your mind, Damo. Stop BS'ing and get your ass in gear, because if I want to sink to the level you're creating, I'll take Freedumb off of IA.
And I was right. Too bad nobody took me up on the bet. I'll give you another try. Please post the definition of "neocon" that you are using so that we can see how pointing out your hypocrisy can be defined as such. I'd be willing to bet again, if anybody would take the offer, that you won't be able to do it and won't even try, just like in this post.
 
And I was right. Too bad nobody took me up on the bet. I'll give you another try. Please post the definition of "neocon" that you are using so that we can see how pointing out your hypocrisy can be defined as such. I'd be willing to bet again, if anybody would take the offer, that you won't be able to do it and won't even try, just like in this post.

Neocon: A globalist who pretends that internationalist fascism is patriotic.
 
Don't bet the farm on it, Damo. So far you're all talk and no substance. Your making accusations while ignoring previous information and posts, and then you build on that faulty premise as if it's gospel. Only in your mind, Damo. Stop BS'ing and get your ass in gear, because if I want to sink to the level you're creating, I'll take Freedumb off of IA.

AWWWWWWWWWWWWW, does sissy have me on IA.

What's the matter, poor baby; did you get tired of me spanking you?? :good4u:
 
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