The Beast Revelation

kudzu said:
It already happened.. It was the end of Jewish power and Temple Judaism.. the new kingdom was SPIRITUAL.
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1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
"For the Lord himself came down from Heaven,with a loud command,and the voice of the Archangel,and the trump it call of God,and the dead in Christ will rise first.
After that we that are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them will be caught up in the clouds with them to meet the Lord in the air.And so we will be with the Lord forever."

You claim this has already happened!
Now tell me when!
 
and behold, there shall be an end time.......and it shall happen right after the before end times.....and it shall be followed by the after end times.........
 
milomason said:
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
"For the Lord himself came down from Heaven,with a loud command,and the voice of the Archangel,and the trump it call of God,and the dead in Christ will rise first.
After that we that are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them will be caught up in the clouds with them to meet the Lord in the air.And so we will be with the Lord forever."

You claim this has already happened!
Now tell me when!
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The concept of a "rapture" has only been recently (within the last two hundred or so years) created by Dispensational theologians.

The idea of a "rapture" implies that believers would be taken away before the Second Coming. This is dirrectly in opposition to Christ comparing his return with "the days of Noah" - see Matthew 24. In the days of Noah, the unrighteous were taken away by the waters of the flood, and the righteous remained and were saved - this is in clear opposition with the teachings of a "rapture."
 
kudzu said:
The concept of a "rapture" has only been recently (within the last two hundred or so years) created by Dispensational theologians.

The idea of a "rapture" implies that believers would be taken away before the Second Coming. This is dirrectly in opposition to Christ comparing his return with "the days of Noah" - see Matthew 24. In the days of Noah, the unrighteous were taken away by the waters of the flood, and the righteous remained and were saved - this is in clear opposition with the teachings of a "rapture."
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actually, its pretty obvious the comparison is to the unexpectedness of the second coming.....
36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
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kudzu said:
There was NO flood.. The Noah story is a myth. You can't use it to prove the rapture.
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lets just agree to disagree about whether you are mindless idiot who poses as someone with knowledge but actually isn't........by the way, I didn't try to prove the rapture.......I don't care if you believe or do not believe in the rapture......I just wanted to point out that your comment about Thessalonians was incredibly stupid.......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
lets just agree to disagree about whether you are mindless idiot who poses as someone with knowledge but actually isn't........by the way, I didn't try to prove the rapture.......I don't care if you believe or do not believe in the rapture......I just wanted to point out that your comment about Thessalonians was incredibly stupid.......
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Jesus made it pretty clear that he was talking about a new world or a new age... a kingdom of God.

Jesus' warning to his followers that they will suffer tribulation and persecution before the ultimate triumph of the Kingdom of God.
 
kudzu said:
Jesus made it pretty clear that he was talking about a new world or a new age... a kingdom of God.

Jesus' warning to his followers that they will suffer tribulation and persecution before the ultimate triumph of the Kingdom of God.
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sorry, that wasn't the message of the Sermon on the Mount.......the actual message was that you cannot achieve righteousness by complying with the law.......only through Jesus Christ can you attain righteousness......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
sorry, that wasn't the message of the Sermon on the Mount.......the actual message was that you cannot achieve righteousness by complying with the law.......only through Jesus Christ can you attain righteousness......
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You forget that Jesus was an observant Jew...... He said he was one with the father, not that he was the father. Jesus didn't start a new religion.. Paul did that.

Jesus like any keen observer could see that the Jews were fighting each other and the Romans.. and they would lose. Destruction and tribulation would follow.
 
kudzu said:
The concept of a "rapture" has only been recently (within the last two hundred or so years) created by Dispensational theologians.

The idea of a "rapture" implies that believers would be taken away before the Second Coming. This is dirrectly in opposition to Christ comparing his return with "the days of Noah" - see Matthew 24. In the days of Noah, the unrighteous were taken away by the waters of the flood, and the righteous remained and were saved - this is in clear opposition with the teachings of a "rapture."
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Did I say Rapture?
The Rapture refers to in the book of Mathew, "one will be taken one left".
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
Is the Second Coming of Christ!
 
PostmodernProphet said:
lets just agree to disagree about whether you are mindless idiot who poses as someone with knowledge but actually isn't........by the way, I didn't try to prove the rapture.......I don't care if you believe or do not believe in the rapture......I just wanted to point out that your comment about Thessalonians was incredibly stupid.......
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Every time you lie and use unkind words, you piss in the face of Jesus Christ.

You'd know that if you could ever be bothered to read the bible.
 
milomason said:
It doesn't need interpretation,it is self explanatory,and hasn't happened yet obviously!
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First.. ask who were the Thessalonians.. If Paul wrote 1 Thessalonians ,he couldn't have written 2 Thessalonians.

Why did Paul write to the Thessalonians?

Both letters of Thessalonians were written to correct false doctrines that had arisen in Paul's absence and to encourage the persecuted believers with the comforting hope of the Second Coming.

1 Thessalonians focuses on the imminent return while 2 Thessalonians adds further information about events that must first come to pass.
 
kudzu said:
First.. ask who were the Thessalonians.. If Paul wrote 1 Thessalonians ,he couldn't have written 2 Thessalonians.

Why did Paul write to the Thessalonians?

Both letters of Thessalonians were written to correct false doctrines that had arisen in Paul's absence and to encourage the persecuted believers with the comforting hope of the Second Coming.

1 Thessalonians focuses on the imminent return while 2 Thessalonians adds further information about events that must first come to pass.
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1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 focuses on one of the greatest most anticipated events in human history,the return of Christ,and the taking away from Earth the Dead and Living followers of Jesus Christ!
 
kudzu said:
You forget that Jesus was an observant Jew...... He said he was one with the father, not that he was the father. Jesus didn't start a new religion.. Paul did that.

Jesus like any keen observer could see that the Jews were fighting each other and the Romans.. and they would lose. Destruction and tribulation would follow.
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you are such a fucking waste of time.....
 
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