Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Trumpers claim they aren't racist. Go figure.
The deal I can see between Trump and DeSantis
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Trumpers claim they aren't racist. Go figure.
Trump may not need money. He has organized the collection of donations for his next run to be under his personal control. If you know Trump, he has no intention of giving that money to the party for elections. If he does not run, and it looks like he will not, he will just keep it. His super duper online site blew up. However the start-up money was his. Trump never has enough.
LurchAddams
There Can be Only One!
Yep, he's always been about personal enrichment. The security of this nation be damned.
anonymoose
Classical Liberal
That’s nice. So how do you reconcile having an authoritarian government along with a decentralized federal republic?
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
You say a lot of things contrary to the free and open society envisioned by our Founders.
Examples:
It's the ultimate authoritarian move to disarm the public and put them to death on a whim.
anonymoose
Classical Liberal
Multnomah County is a lawless shithole that would gladly secede from the Union. I acquiesce to their desire. An authoritarian central strongman would turn that place into rubble.
I side with progressives on guns except take it a step further.
Pro death = pro choice. Where do I advocate forced abortions? Especially only for minorities???
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Nonetheless by advocating shredding the Constitution and evicting Americans from their own country you are advocating an authoritarian state to make that happen.
anonymoose
Classical Liberal
Repeal of an amendment ≠ shredding the constitution. It’s done thru congress. But you knew that.
The mayor of Portland (and Seattle) allow lawlessness and “autonomous zones”. You think a country like Switzerland or any other developed country would allow that?
The alternative is to enforce laws. That’s rather authoritarian, don't you agree?
So if I’m not an anarchist you consider me to be alt-right?
First I believe either one would beat Biden or any other dim after this train wreck of an administration.
Both would like to run in 2024 and they’d have to be considered the front runners at this point.
Would DeSantis acquiesce to Trump and be the VP running mate with the express intent of running for president after 4 years since Trump would be ineligible then?
Trump would simply declare himself eligible. What’s to stop him?
Additionally DeSantis has too beg of a personality for Trump’s ego to deal with.
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
So you admit your idea doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hell of passing a 2/3s vote much less a 3/4s? Agreed.
Fuck Switzerland. WTF does fucking Switzerland have to do with your authoritarian tendencies?
Yes, authoritarians pass laws so they can enforce them. You want to evict Americans from their own nation and execute anyone under 18 at will. It takes an authoritarian government to enforce such an idea since a Constitutional Republic would not allow it.
primaries will settle it. what they are there for. I think if DeSantis runs he wins it all -but we'll see
what "core values" - the ones that got China into the WTO?
going after abortion ( a total loser)? globalization?
I dont see anything in terms of core values the Repubs have except not being insane like Dems
They certainly had enough war -the Dems do too
Trump got teh economy in top shape, got china to the negotiating table, and even got the vaxxes
and got the border under control
What in particular do you want from "core values?"
Bidens incompetence got them killed
anonymoose
Classical Liberal
Abbott seems to have ambitions.
anonymoose
Classical Liberal
It is rather expensive but they have nice ski resorts. Zermatt was my favorite.
I prefer their decentralized form of govt. So how do you reconcile having an authoritarian government along with a decentralized federal republic? Previous non-answer:
^ Not a reconciliation. Having trouble with that?
So you are against laws so that authoritarians can't enforce them?
The two alternatives are
1. enforce laws so that authoritarians can enforce them
2. Allow lawlessness and anarchy.
Not me. It's the mothers' decision whether or not to abort.
The mother ≠ govt. Besides , already decided: Roe v Wade.
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Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Trumpers scream they want freedom, but they only mean freedom for themselves; others they seek to diminish.
It is rather expensive but they have nice ski resorts. Zermatt was my favorite. I prefer their decentralized form of govt. So how do you reconcile having an authoritarian government along with a decentralized federal republic? Previous non-answer:^ Not a reconciliation. Having trouble with that?
So you are against laws so that authoritarians can't enforce them? The two alternatives are
1. enforce laws so that authoritarians can enforce them
2. Allow lawlessness and anarchy. Not me. It's the mothers' decision whether or not to abort. The mother ≠ govt. Besides , already decided: Roe v Wade.
Wrong on your two choices. There are degrees, not just the White Supremacists and BLM/Antifa as the haters claim.
Only laws that are just should be passed. Enforce all just laws. Eliminate injustice. This advice goes to every community up to DC.
Unfortunately, like you, people are mostly interested in laws that benefit themselves and dictate to others. Sad.
anonymoose
Classical Liberal
No reconciliation. I understand.
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
It takes two to tango and only one to fuck up the entire party.
There are about two dozen Republicans who desperately want to be President, including Abbot. All are lining up ways to the nomination, as if trump is not going to run. These ways will help them get the nomination, but will hurt them in the general election.
But the key take away from the last paragraph is that trump needs to not be running. If trump runs in 2024, he gets the nomination in 2024. Everything the Republicans do will be for nothing until maybe 2028.
I think most of the Republicans have the common sense to see what happened to trump's last VP, and everyone in trump's cabinet. Can you name even one member of trump's cabinet who did not have their career destroyed? There might be one of the two dozen willing to be his VP nominee... But most will take a hard pass.
DeSantis is very, very slimy, but is intelligent enough to avoid being trump's VP candidate. If trump runs in 2024, DeSantis will run in 2028, from outside. If trump does not run in 2024, DeSantis will run in 2024.