The difference between Communism and Fascism

[AProudLefty]

Cuba, North Korea, and China have "super abundance"?

Hence the claim that Communism was achieved is false.

 

[Into the Night]

fascism is not necessarily totalitarian, or nationalistic.

fascism today is predominantly internationalist in nature.

check my sig re: internationalist fascism.

Fascism, like any form of socialism, is theft of wealth. It can only be implemented by oligarchy or dictatorship. Implementing it is totalitarian by nature.

Fascism exists in every nation. So does communism, and so does capitalism.

 

[Into the Night]

Yes.

TANSTAAFL.

 

[Into the Night]

The Communist side of that is obviously from Marx. Where did the Fascist side of that come from?

Both communism and fascism were favored by Marx. See his writings. You can find them at the link in my sig.

 

[AProudLefty]

TANSTAAFL.

Correct.

 

[Into the Night]

Mussolini et al.

He coined the word as we use it today, but the practice existed before Mussolini.

 

[Into the Night]

No? Who do you think was responsible for the rise of Fascism?

It has risen over the ages long before Karl Marx.

Fascism is government manipulation of markets.

 

[Into the Night]

Doesn't mean the statement is correct.

The only major difference between Fascism and Communism is that the former is Nationalist, while the later is Internationalist.

No. There is no such thing as international communism nor fascism. There is no international government. The UN is not a government.

 

[AProudLefty]

It has risen over the ages long before Karl Marx.

Fascism is government manipulation of markets.

Correct. The Roman Empire was a Fascist country.

 

[Into the Night]

Communism is not governed by the people. Neither is fascism.
Both require an oligarchy or dictatorship to implement.

There is no merit to either communism nor fascism, and no merit for an oligarchy or dictatorship.

 

[AProudLefty]

He coined the word as we use it today, but the practice existed before Mussolini.

"Fascism" came from the word "fasces".

 

[Into the Night]

Wrong. Both seek to remove class from society. Both seek to strip the rich and powerful of their wealth and power handing it to the state. In Communism, the economy is taken over by the state. In Fascism, the economy is directed by the state in minute detail, but the means of production remain private with strict restrictions on profit.

From the Nazi political platform:



Nationalism is a big part of Fascism. The state is everything. Internationalism is a big part of Communism. We must spread our ideas everywhere.

Hitler wanted to take over the world. You don't call that 'internationalism'?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Hence the claim that Communism was achieved is false.

Communism can never be achieved. It's that simple. It defies basic human nature.

 

[Into the Night]

You should understand that Communism was never achieved as Karl Marx had envisioned.

Yes it was. Karl Marx described theft of wealth to implement communism. He also described fascism as a stepping stone to communism.

 

[AProudLefty]

Communism is not governed by the people.

Karl Marx said Communism is governed by the people. Are you denying what he said?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

So then by that definition Trump is an Anti-Fascist.....isnt that interesting.

Soooooo.....1/6 really was attacked by Antifa. Who knew??!!

Here's Trump fighting ISIS:

 

[AProudLefty]

Communism can never be achieved. It's that simple. It defies basic human nature.

Correct. Karl Marx had the right idea. I guess he just underestimated human nature.

 

[Into the Night]

Yes he did. Corruption is rampant today.

So are loving families with children and those that go out to help their fellow man unselfishly.

There's more to the world than what you see in the news, dude.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Communism can never be achieved. It's that simple. It defies basic human nature.

Above the tribal/village level, I agree. Whenever representatives need to be elected, that's when a one-party systems falters. At least two-parties are needed to keep the other side in check.

OTOH, if one or both sides starts cheating and violating the laws, either legally or in spirit, then the system self-destructs.

The Republican Party of 2021 is killing democracy and our Constitution. The answer is certainly not communism, but it's not letting authoritarian assholes take over out of trumped up fears of the fucking socialists.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Hitler wanted to take over the world. You don't call that 'internationalism'?

Not true. Hitler wanted Lebenstraum. He wanted, to claim what he considered historical "German" lands. Mussolini, similarly, wanted to restore Italy's control over lands the Romans had controlled. Neither had much if any view of taking over the planet.

On the other hand, Communism did.

https://www.marxists.org/history/international/comintern/index.htm

The object of the International was to bring Communist revolution to every nation and incorporate it into a one-world state where Communism ran the planet.