The difference between Communism and Fascism

[Into the Night]

Karl Marx said Communism is governed by the people. Are you denying what he said?

Communism is not democracy. While Karl Marx said this, it's a lie.

 

[AProudLefty]

So are loving families with children and those that go out to help their fellow man unselfishly.

There's more to the world than what you see in the news, dude.

You do not need Christianity for that, dude.

 

[Into the Night]

Hence the claim that Communism was achieved is false.

Communism is the major form of economic structure in Cuba, North Korea, and China. There is no abundance in these nations because the government has stolen the wealth.

 

[AProudLefty]

Communism is not democracy. While Karl Marx said this, it's a lie.

Now you're saying that Karl Marx lied?

 

[AProudLefty]

There is no abundance in these nations because the government has stolen the wealth.

Hence it is not a true Communism.

 

[Into the Night]

Correct.

You just denied your own argument.

 

[AProudLefty]

You just denied your own argument.

I have made no such argument.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Correct. Karl Marx had the right idea. I guess he just underestimated human nature.

Not quite. Marx ignored human nature, in large part because he spent almost his entire adult life cloistered in a library in an academic setting. That is, he had no real contact with human society and didn't understand what human nature was other than as an academic exercise where it could be easily molded into whatever was necessary.

For Communism to work you have to have a population that is entirely altruistic. That is, they put the group first, and allow themselves to be subsumed by the group. If the group decides that you must die when you turn 30 for the good of the group, you willingly let yourself be killed when you turn 30, that sort of thing.

 

[AProudLefty]

Not quite. Marx ignored human nature, in large part because he spent almost his entire adult life cloistered in a library in an academic setting. That is, he had no real contact with human society and didn't understand what human nature was other than as an academic exercise where it could be easily molded into whatever was necessary.

That makes sense.

 

[Into the Night]

Correct. The Roman Empire was a Fascist country.

Fascism is not a nation or a form of government. It is an economic system based on government manipulation of markets.

It exists in every nation.

So does communism. So does capitalism.

The Roman Empire also practiced that third form of socialism...slavery.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Correct. Karl Marx had the right idea. I guess he just underestimated human nature.

Agreed.

The Founders certainly underestimated the depravity of national American leadership seen by the President and his terrorists on 1/6.

Lying, cheating and attacking innocent people is not a traditional American ideal.

 

[AProudLefty]

third form of socialism...slavery.

 

[Into the Night]

"Fascism" came from the word "fasces".

Yes...so?

 

[Into the Night]

Communism can never be achieved. It's that simple. It defies basic human nature.

Communism is not achieved in every nation, It is part of human nature as well. Theft has always been part of human nature.

 

[AProudLefty]

BTW, the source is here: https://www.diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Fascism

I just wanted to examinate each part so we can discuss individual parts in depth.

From now on, you select parts from the list and discuss. Thanks for participating.

 

[Flash]

You should understand that Communism was never achieved as Karl Marx had envisioned.

Nor could it ever be achieved. Those states became more economically successful as they dropped the controlled economy and adopted more elements of capitalism and the free market.

They are nothing like Marx's model. They are only "communist" because they call themselves that and are ruled by the communist party.

 

[AProudLefty]

Yes...so?

So the word is not new. "Fascism" is not coined. It is derived.

 

[AProudLefty]

Reminder:

BTW, the source is here: https://www.diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Fascism

I just wanted to examinate each part so we can discuss individual parts in depth.

From now on, you select parts from the list and discuss. Thanks for participating.

 

[Into the Night]

Above the tribal/village level, I agree. Whenever representatives need to be elected, that's when a one-party systems falters. At least two-parties are needed to keep the other side in check.

OTOH, if one or both sides starts cheating and violating the laws, either legally or in spirit, then the system self-destructs.

The Republican Party of 2021 is killing democracy and our Constitution. The answer is certainly not communism, but it's not letting authoritarian assholes take over out of trumped up fears of the fucking socialists.

There is no democracy. The United States was never a democracy. Redefinition fallacy.
It is the DEMOCRATS that discard the Constitution. Inversion fallacy.
Communism is not a form of government. Neither is fascism. Both are forms of socialism...Democrats.

Trump is not a Democrat nor a socialist.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Nor could it ever be achieved. Those states became more economically successful as they dropped the controlled economy and adopted more elements of capitalism and the free market.

They are nothing like Marx's model. They are only "communist" because they call themselves that and are ruled by the communist party.

Even China is no longer Communist. They're really a Fascist state now. They are definitely practicing Nationalism, want to expand into what they consider traditional Chinese territory, have a command economy but allow private ownership of business. All part and parcel of Fascism.