T. A. Gardner
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Seems the actual founders said they established a REPUBLIC, not a democracy, but then again, when had evince ever been right on anything?
The founders said we are a democracy
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Seems the actual founders said they established a REPUBLIC, not a democracy, but then again, when had evince ever been right on anything?
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Seems the actual founders said they established a REPUBLIC, not a democracy, but then again, when had evince ever been right on anything?
Democratic republic.
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His point was taken
The first post of mine contain a modern day use of the definition of the word democracy
The founders hybrid form of the mix of a direct democracy (the new name for what democracy USED to mean) and a republic
Both of which are types of democracy
We are a democracy and a republic
Why does the Republican Party ,to nearly a man, lie about this history and the word democracy?
Because they don’t like democracy
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Seems the actual founders said they established a REPUBLIC, not a democracy, but then again, when had evince ever been right on anything?
And here you are lying about it again
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Is America a democracy?
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T. A. Gardner
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Unfortunately for everyone retards like you are trying to make it one. The republic as established started to decline with the 17th Amendment and has been in decline ever since. Yabbering fools like you call for direct election of the President. After that the destruction will be complete and the republic no more.
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Oh so you do hate the founders
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_democracy
Types of democracy refers to pluralism of governing structures such as governments (local through to global) and other constructs like workplaces, families, community associations, and so forth. Types of democracy can cluster around values. For example, some like direct democracy, electronic democracy, participatory democracy, real democracy, and deliberative democracy, strive to allow people to participate equally and directly in protest, discussion, decision-making, or other acts of politics. Different types of democracy - like representative democracy - strive for indirect participation as this procedural approach to collective self-governance is still widely considered the only means for the more or less stable democratic functioning of mass societies.[1] Types of democracy can be found across time, space, and language.[2] In the English language the noun "democracy" has been modified by 2,234 adjectives.[3] These adjectival pairings, like atomic democracy or Zulu democracy, act as signal words that point not only to specific meanings of democracy but to groups, or families, of meaning as well.
Types of democracy refers to pluralism of governing structures such as governments (local through to global) and other constructs like workplaces, families, community associations, and so forth. Types of democracy can cluster around values. For example, some like direct democracy, electronic democracy, participatory democracy, real democracy, and deliberative democracy, strive to allow people to participate equally and directly in protest, discussion, decision-making, or other acts of politics. Different types of democracy - like representative democracy - strive for indirect participation as this procedural approach to collective self-governance is still widely considered the only means for the more or less stable democratic functioning of mass societies.[1] Types of democracy can be found across time, space, and language.[2] In the English language the noun "democracy" has been modified by 2,234 adjectives.[3] These adjectival pairings, like atomic democracy or Zulu democracy, act as signal words that point not only to specific meanings of democracy but to groups, or families, of meaning as well.
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Liberal democracy is the combination of a liberal political ideology that operates under an indirect democratic form of government. It is characterized by elections between multiple distinct political parties, a separation of powers into different branches of government, the rule of law in everyday life as part of an open society, a market economy with private property, and the equal protection of human rights, civil rights, civil liberties and political freedoms for all people. To define the system in practice, liberal democracies often draw upon a constitution, either codified (such as in the United States)[1] or uncodified (such as in the United Kingdom), to delineate the powers of government and enshrine the social contract. After a period of expansion in the second half of the 20th century, liberal democracy became a prevalent political system in the world.[2]
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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/yes-constitution-democracy/616949/
When founding thinkers such as James Madison spoke of democracy, they were usually referring to direct democracy, what Madison frequently labeled “pure” democracy. Madison made the distinction between a republic and a direct democracy exquisitely clear in “Federalist No. 14”: “In a democracy, the people meet and exercise the government in person; in a republic, they assemble and administer it by their representatives and agents. A democracy, consequently, will be confined to a small spot. A republic may be extended over a large region.” Both a democracy and a republic were popular forms of government: Each drew its legitimacy from the people and depended on rule by the people. The crucial difference was that a republic relied on representation, while in a “pure” democracy, the people represented themselves.
When founding thinkers such as James Madison spoke of democracy, they were usually referring to direct democracy, what Madison frequently labeled “pure” democracy. Madison made the distinction between a republic and a direct democracy exquisitely clear in “Federalist No. 14”: “In a democracy, the people meet and exercise the government in person; in a republic, they assemble and administer it by their representatives and agents. A democracy, consequently, will be confined to a small spot. A republic may be extended over a large region.” Both a democracy and a republic were popular forms of government: Each drew its legitimacy from the people and depended on rule by the people. The crucial difference was that a republic relied on representation, while in a “pure” democracy, the people represented themselves.
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So pre the 17th is that time we were great that you want to go back to?
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https://reason.com/volokh/2022/01/19/the-u-s-is-both-a-republic-and-a-democracy/
The U.S. Is Both a Republic and a Democracy
Don't just take it from me; take it from the Framers and other early American statesmen: "Democracy" has long included representative democracy as well as direct democracy, and "Republic" was used to refer to regimes that were not representative.
EUGENE VOLOKH | 1.19.2022 8:31 AM
The U.S. Is Both a Republic and a Democracy
Don't just take it from me; take it from the Framers and other early American statesmen: "Democracy" has long included representative democracy as well as direct democracy, and "Republic" was used to refer to regimes that were not representative.
EUGENE VOLOKH | 1.19.2022 8:31 AM
There is a reason that the first political party was the "Democratic Republicans" it wasn't because this is a simple democracy. While it is democratic, it is a republic where we have representation. A simple Democracy as a form of government is unwieldy, and would have failed by now as no rights are ever protected for any individual when the government is not limited in powers. Imagine having to have every eligible voter vote on every single thing we have ever done... It would suck. Back when there were 30,000 folks tops in a city in Greece it was possible, today... even they have representative forms of government.
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T. A. Gardner
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No I despise radical Leftists, like you, who want to destroy what they established and has worked so well for America.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_No._10
Madison saw the federal Constitution as providing for a "happy combination" of a republic and a purer democracy, with "the great and aggregate interests being referred to the national, the local and particular to the State legislatures" resulting in a decentralized governmental structure. In his view, this would make it "more difficult for unworthy candidates to practice the vicious arts by which elections are too often carried."
Madison saw the federal Constitution as providing for a "happy combination" of a republic and a purer democracy, with "the great and aggregate interests being referred to the national, the local and particular to the State legislatures" resulting in a decentralized governmental structure. In his view, this would make it "more difficult for unworthy candidates to practice the vicious arts by which elections are too often carried."
T. A. Gardner
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No, removing the 17th Amendment would go far to restoring the Republic. Do you even know what the 17th Amendment did and how things were done before it was enacted? I doubt it.