The founders said we are a democracy

One reason for the 17th was because of the corruption of buying and selling Senate seats in the states.

You can see the temptations when the governor of ILL wanted "something" for filling Obama's Senate seat.

You bet



To lesson the possibility that someone could get in power and then use that power to put in people who will help them retain power



It was to protect the people


And you can bet that there was provoking reasons for the decision at the time
 
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixg...o-override-presidential-election-results/amp/



Editor's Note: This is Part 4 of a series which will take an in depth look at election deniers in the 2022 midterms in an effort to assess their likelihood of success, their plans if elected, and their impact on election administration and democracy. This op-ed was adapted from Wertheimer’s Political Report, a weekly newsletter published by Democracy 21. Democracy 21 is a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization that works to protect and strengthen our democracy
There is a misconception that needs to be clarified about the potential impact of an upcoming Supreme Court case.

That misconception is this—if the “independent state legislature theory” is adopted by the Supreme Court in the case of Moore v. Harper, state legislatures will be empowered to override the choice of voters on Election Day in a presidential election.

That’s not correct.

Make no mistake, the Court’s decision in Moore v. Harper could dramatically and dangerously rewrite American democracy. Moore v. Harper will be argued before the Supreme Court on December 7. The case involves a gerrymandered North Carolina congressional map that was rejected by the state’s Supreme Court and is being defended by North Carolina legislators. They claim the state court’s decision violates the independent state legislature theory.

The independent state legislature theory has long been considered by many to be a radical, fringe idea. Simply put, it would prevent state courts from reviewing laws passed by state legislatures to redistrict congressional seats, or to establish voting rules or other laws applicable to federal elections.

In other words, a state Supreme Court would no longer have the right to decide whether state laws dealing with federal elections comply with the state’s own constitution.
 
The Republican want to saw away at our election system


Cut by cut


Stab by stab

Until the tree of liberty dies
 
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/yes-constitution-democracy/616949/


When founding thinkers such as James Madison spoke of democracy, they were usually referring to direct democracy, what Madison frequently labeled “pure” democracy. Madison made the distinction between a republic and a direct democracy exquisitely clear in “Federalist No. 14”: “In a democracy, the people meet and exercise the government in person; in a republic, they assemble and administer it by their representatives and agents. A democracy, consequently, will be confined to a small spot. A republic may be extended over a large region.” Both a democracy and a republic were popular forms of government: Each drew its legitimacy from the people and depended on rule by the people. The crucial difference was that a republic relied on representation, while in a “pure” democracy, the people represented themselves.

It is obvious Madison was speaking about Democracy as it was defined at the time


That type of democracy is now called direct OR pure democracy



Look the terms up
 
If you want to go backwards please explain why we should go backwards to old definitions of words and eliminate the powers the FOUNDERS INTENDED us to have

allowing a majority of pacifist lazy fucksticks to determine the course of our nation is backwards, not forwards.
 
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Seems the actual founders said they established a REPUBLIC, not a democracy, but then again, when had evince ever been right on anything?

A republic can be a democracy. How stupid are you people? Is an oak also a tree? Is a poodle also a dog? Or can only one word describe something?
 
A republic can be a democracy. How stupid are you people? Is an oak also a tree? Is a poodle also a dog? Or can only one word describe something?

The 'Republic' part is the important part of this. The 'Democracy' part is just how you vote for the representatives in that republic. It's the minor part of it. One word can describe a Republic and that's Republic. Democracy doesn't explain much of anything other than a voting process.
 
The 'Republic' part is the important part of this. The 'Democracy' part is just how you vote for the representatives in that republic. It's the minor part of it. One word can describe a Republic and that's Republic. Democracy doesn't explain much of anything other than a voting process.

Iran is a Republic. North Korea is a Republic. Communist China is a Republic. The USSR was a Republic.

Democracy is a very important part of what this country is.
 
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