The founders said we are a democracy

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https://usoas.usmission.gov/our-relationship/policy-programs/democracy/




Article 1 states: “The peoples of the Americas have a right to democracy and their governments have an obligation to promote and defend it.” It also states that: “Democracy is essential for the social, political, and economic development of the peoples of the Americas.”





Ask your self why republicans lie and say we are not a democracy

The United States was never a democracy. It was organized as a federated republic.
A democracy has no constitution and no representatives.

 

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That means that anyone who wants us to NOT BE A DEMOCRACY hates the constitution and the founders

A democracy has no constitution.

 

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That isn't Art 1 of the US Constitution. It refers to Art 1 of INTER-AMERICAN DEMOCRATIC CHARTER which was signed in 2001.
http://www.oas.org/OASpage/eng/Documents/Democractic_Charter.htm

The idiots that claim we aren't a democracy want to restrict the meanings of words to only a true democracy. The US is a republic. The US is a democracy. The US is a democratic republic. It is possible to be all of them at the same time.

True Scotsman fallacy.
A democracy is government by popular vote. It has no constitution. It has no representatives.
The United States is not a democracy.

There is no such thing as a 'democratic republic'.

 

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https://learningenglish.voanews.com...o-the-us-constitution-s-writers-/5760963.html



Bruce Kuklick is a retired professor of American history at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia. He says the framers of the Constitution had a very different idea of democracy than Americans do today.

Ask your self why republicans lie and say we are not a democracy

He doesn't get to speak for the dead. Neither do you. Omniscience fallacy. Redefinition fallacy (democracy<->republic).

 

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And US founders redifined the meaning of the word democracy with their creation

They did nothing of the sort. A democracy is government by popular vote. There is no constitution. There are no representatives.

 

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They wanted land owners to vote


They formed this government in response to their representation as being ignored by Britain


They designed us in a way that allowed us to expand this democracy



Then we expanded our democracy

The United States is not and never was a democracy.

 

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https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/17th-amendment


Does the Republican Party want to repeal the 17th?

I can only speak for myself here. Yes. The Senate should represent the States, not the people. The House represents the people. Right now the States have no representation.

Opinions differ among Republicans.

 

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The original design was state legislators picked senators



If you want to go backwards please explain why we should go backwards to old definitions of words and eliminate the powers the FOUNDERS INTENDED us to have



You can’t have it both ways



Either we accept the legal changes in the constitution that the Founders created for us to make


Or face that your argument is fucking ridiculous

Presentism fallacy.

 

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This document uses the current definition of the word democracy


The change in the word that was created by the actions of the founders forming of a brand new type of democracy

There is no 'type of democracy'. A democracy is government by popular vote. There is no constitution. There are no representatives.

 

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To say the USA is not a democracy is a blatant lie concocted by those who want to kill our democracy

Kill what democracy???????!? Circular argument fallacy (fundamentalism). Redefinition fallacy.

 

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America is a Democratic Republic

No such thing. Paradox.

 

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Some say because we vote for electors and they cast the final vote, we are not a true democracy. It is a representative democracy. But since they vote as the people vote, it s a wasted argument.

True Scotsman fallacy. There is no such thing as a representative democracy. Democracies have no representatives.

 

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No such thing. Paradox.

Your very fucked up Ego is putting on quite the show.

 

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Anyone who tells you America is not a democracy is trying to help kill American democracy folks



They should be treated as the traitor to the nation that they are


SHUNNED


SHAMED


OSTRACIZED

There is no democracy in America. The United States was never a democracy.

 

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Note the constant attempt to demean and erase democracy as a part of the US system

The United States was never a democracy.

 

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Then move to somewhere that the people can’t vote

Paradox. Irrational.

 

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The United States was never a democracy.

Now it is a neo marxist dystopia.

Too bad that you are still stuck in denial.

 

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Guess who calls democracy mob rule?


People who hate America

There is no democracy in America. The United States was never a democracy.
Democracy IS mob rule. It is why a democracy is an unstable for of government. It usually dissolves into an oligarchy or dictatorship before long.

 

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Paradox. Irrational.

Thankfully some of us did better than you did.

 

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There is no democracy in America. The United States was never a democracy.
Democracy IS mob rule. It is why a democracy is an unstable for of government. It usually dissolves into an oligarchy or dictatorship before long.

Defeatist.