The Good Old Days Of America's Healthcare System, Bring It Back

Robo said:
I think you put your finger on the major issue concerning government provided healthcare. Whenever "the people" get the idea that all they have to do is go to a doctor for pretty much anything, a cold a hang nail, a boil or whatever, and the government will take care of the bill, first thing you know, doctors offices are swamped, they have to hire more help to take care of the government paperwork and then everybody ends up WAITING longer and longer for care. That's what you get with single payer. That's why the VA can't handle it's commitments.
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that doesn't seem to be a problem at all the other western nations who have universal healthcare
 
Robo said:
America’s healthcare during my boyhood and early adulthood, (late 30's, 40's and early 50's) was never a political issue. It’s documented that Harry Truman once tried to introduce a federal government healthcare plan and I think he was laughed out of the Oval Office. I don’t remember healthcare being an issue until the feds got involved with Medicare in like the 60's sometime I think. From my experience America’s healthcare has been going downhill ever since. Seems the more the feds mess with it the more costly and more people , not fewer people can’t get healthcare except by emergency room care.

I remember when doctors and hospitals had low cost and no cost clinics the doctors donated time to and the hospitals donated facilities and equipment and private charities donated money and other services to the poor and folks of meager means.

I remember when almost every employer could easily afford health insurance for their employees and plans where whole families could go to the doctor and or the hospitals and pay next to nothing for care. Most plans even offered dental and visual coverage.

I think America should get the feds out of the healthcare and health insurance business and encourage the people and the states to go back to the good old days in American healthcare.
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The good old days when people with cancer were sent home with opium to die? The good old days where people just dropped dead of a heart attack or stroke and that was that? Extending life expectancy and all the high tech crap we have costs money.
 
Kacper said:
The good old days when people with cancer were sent home with opium to die? The good old days where people just dropped dead of a heart attack or stroke and that was that? Extending life expectancy and all the high tech crap we have costs money.
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our system is at the bottom of industrial nations. that is because a huge part of our health care money goes to profits and execs. healthcare should not be a for-profit enterprise. that guarantees that a huge part of our care cost goes to proifits and funnels up to the wealthy.
 
Robo said:
America’s healthcare during my boyhood and early adulthood, (late 30's, 40's and early 50's) was never a political issue. It’s documented that Harry Truman once tried to introduce a federal government healthcare plan and I think he was laughed out of the Oval Office. I don’t remember healthcare being an issue until the feds got involved with Medicare in like the 60's sometime I think. From my experience America’s healthcare has been going downhill ever since. Seems the more the feds mess with it the more costly and more people , not fewer people can’t get healthcare except by emergency room care.

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I remember when doctors and hospitals had low cost and no cost clinics the doctors donated time to and the hospitals donated facilities and equipment and private charities donated money and other services to the poor and folks of meager means.

I remember when almost every employer could easily afford health insurance for their employees and plans where whole families could go to the doctor and or the hospitals and pay next to nothing for care. Most plans even offered dental and visual coverage.

I think America should get the feds out of the healthcare and health insurance business and encourage the people and the states to go back to the good old days in American healthcare.
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Nordberg said:
our system is at the bottom of industrial nations. that is because a huge part of our health care money goes to profits and execs. healthcare should not be a for-profit enterprise. that guarantees that a huge part of our care cost goes to proifits and funnels up to the wealthy.
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Our system is at the bottom because the studies put heavy weight on cost to consumers. Start a non-profit healthcare system if you want. See how many people use it and what kind of care they get. First, however, your non-profit system needs to come up with about $30T to buy out the owners of all the hospitals, nursing homes, etc, and find doctors willing to work for RN pay and surgeons willing to slice and dice for CRNP wages. You cannot overlay a nonprofit system on a for-profit system and have a system in the end.
 
Kacper said:
Our system is at the bottom because the studies put heavy weight on cost to consumers. Start a non-profit healthcare system if you want. See how many people use it and what kind of care they get. First, however, your non-profit system needs to come up with about $30T to buy out the owners of all the hospitals, nursing homes, etc, and find doctors willing to work for RN pay and surgeons willing to slice and dice for CRNP wages. You cannot overlay a nonprofit system on a for-profit system and have a system in the end.
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Not correct. they evaluate on life expectancy and health results of sick people. Money is not a factor. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org...doctor-visits-common-u-s-comparable-countries and rated 11th out of 11 industrial countries. https://www.commonwealthfund.org/pr...among-eleven-countries-measures-access-equity
 
Nordberg said:
Not correct. they evaluate on life expectancy and health results of sick people. Money is not a factor. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org...doctor-visits-common-u-s-comparable-countries and rated 11th out of 11 industrial countries. https://www.commonwealthfund.org/pr...among-eleven-countries-measures-access-equity
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LOL. In the very first sentence they state "access to services" as part of the metric. Access to services is measured in cost to consumers. And how do they measure that, well let's go to your other source: "Access to care: People in the U.S. have the hardest time affording the health care they need. The U.S. ranks last on every measure of cost-related access. More than one-third (37%) of U.S. adults reported forgoing a recommended test, treatment, or follow-up care because of cost.
 
Grugore said:
If the government controls your healthcare, they control you. Think about that.
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The government IS me, partially.
I have a vote in the government.
I have no vote in the insurance company boardrooms.

The only people in charge of their own healthcare are those people who can pull out their checkbooks and pay huge, six-figure medical bills on their own.

If this is you, G, congrats. It's certainly not very many people.

That's why the entire civilized world has settled on socialized medicine.
It's also why we're not part of the civilized world.
Even less so right now.
 
FDR TRIED TO create a medical insurance program, no one was laughing, people wanted it, its always been needed and the medical lobby has blocked it, you think we are the only nation in the developed world with no comprehensive system because it works? no everyone agrees it is a crime, a recent poll in canada asked which system they would prefer over 90% said their universal single payer system, youve been brain washed people go broke if they get cancer or some catestrophic illness ask old people if they want to get rid of medicare none will say they do, were you even alive in the 30s 40s and 50s by the wat those were new deal years there were medical programs back then National Health Insurance and the New Deal
President Roosevelt continued to support national health reform throughout his terms. His second push for
national health insurance came after the Social Security Act passed. However, the momentum from FDR’s
Technical Committee on Medical Care and a National Health Conference were not enough to overcome a
Congress that was no longer supportive of further government expansions.

1954
President Eisenhower proposes a federal reinsurance
fund to enable private insurers to broaden the
groups of people they would cover
 
Robo said:
America’s healthcare during my boyhood and early adulthood, (late 30's, 40's and early 50's) was never a political issue. It’s documented that Harry Truman once tried to introduce a federal government healthcare plan and I think he was laughed out of the Oval Office. I don’t remember healthcare being an issue until the feds got involved with Medicare in like the 60's sometime I think. From my experience America’s healthcare has been going downhill ever since. Seems the more the feds mess with it the more costly and more people , not fewer people can’t get healthcare except by emergency room care.

I remember when doctors and hospitals had low cost and no cost clinics the doctors donated time to and the hospitals donated facilities and equipment and private charities donated money and other services to the poor and folks of meager means.

I remember when almost every employer could easily afford health insurance for their employees and plans where whole families could go to the doctor and or the hospitals and pay next to nothing for care. Most plans even offered dental and visual coverage.

I think America should get the feds out of the healthcare and health insurance business and encourage the people and the states to go back to the good old days in American healthcare.
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I think you'd do better to work out how ordinary people did back then, check out how they manage now when Americans pay pretty well twice as much for a very inadequate service, look at why the rest of the civilized world does so much better and then get yourself a proper NHS.
 
Robo said:
How brilliant! You must have stayed up all night to compose that well thought out reply, huh?

Any child can call names, it takes folks with maturity and intellect to create rational and valued debate.
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"Hey Wally,Eddie Haskell grabbed my nut sack"!
 
Kacper said:
The good old days when people with cancer were sent home with opium to die? The good old days where people just dropped dead of a heart attack or stroke and that was that? Extending life expectancy and all the high tech crap we have costs money.
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You've identified inflation and medical science advancement, you've failed in my opinion to articulate how and why the old system before the feds meddled would not be better than what we have today or better than a single payer waiting list.
 
Kacper said:
The good old days when people with cancer were sent home with opium to die? The good old days where people just dropped dead of a heart attack or stroke and that was that? Extending life expectancy and all the high tech crap we have costs money.
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How many people today in single payer systems never get to see a critical operation that would prolong their life? Ho's that better than being sent home to die? Being sent home to die means at least you got an opinion. Medical science has advanced, fewer people get sent home to die. I'd argue that more people die in single payer systems because they never even got an opinion on their condition on a waiting list.
 
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