The Good Old Days Of America's Healthcare System, Bring It Back

[Nordberg]

Maybe since you're so versed in America's healthcare history you can point to the constitutional authority for the federal government to be involved in America's healthcare?

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." (Amendment 10, United States Constitution)

it did not exist back then. Founders were also silent on nuclear weapons and nuclear energy. Where did we derive the right to those things when it is not in the constitution? Women voting is against the constitution. What is wrong with us allowing them to vote?

 

[Boris The Animal]

Wrong again, or is it still. the US is at the bottom of healthcare ratings in industrialized nations, dead bottom. By any measurements, they get better health care than we do and better results. And much, much cheaper. When taiwan was going to install a national heath care system, they visited the US to see what they should NOt do.

It is time for the us to nationalize healthcare and save poor disgruntled taxpayers like you a lot of money and provide better healthcare. You will thank us.

then we can nationalize banks.

Eat shit and die! I don't want some government bean counter telling me that I don't qualify for X-treatment because it isn't government approved. And nationalizing banks? You just proved you're nothing but Communist scum who should be taken out, strapped to a thick post with a wooden backstop behind you, a black hood placed over your head and twelve sharpshooters aiming their M16s right at your heart.

 

[Boris The Animal]

it did not exist back then. Founders were also silent on nuclear weapons and nuclear energy. Where did we derive the right to those things when it is not in the constitution? Women voting is against the constitution. What is wrong with us allowing them to vote?

It took a Constitutional amendment to make that change, not some feelygood Liberal "living document" bullshit. We did it the CORRECT AND PROPER way!

 

[CFM]

It took a Constitutional amendment to make that change, not some feelygood Liberal "living document" bullshit. We did it the CORRECT AND PROPER way!

I'd bet Nordberg believes the 19th amendment allowed women to do what none had done before. His understanding of the Constitution and how it works is very limited, almost non-existent.

 

[iolo]

Ludicrous to see a modern country leave healthcare to a lot of profiteering cruds and their paid apostles.

 

[CFM]

Ludicrous to see a modern country leave healthcare to a lot of profiteering cruds and their paid apostles.

Ludicrous to think that because someone refuses to provide him/herself coverage that others are somehow responsible for their unwillingness to do so.

 

[Nordberg]

It took a Constitutional amendment to make that change, not some feelygood Liberal "living document" bullshit. We did it the CORRECT AND PROPER way!

So now you agree the constitution is not to be followed when it is wrong. Nothing holy about it. Just a document written long ago by some pretty smart, but flawed people.it is a blueprint, not a bible.

Provide for the public welfare is pretty clear to most of us. tough for you, i see.

Fact is your gatekeeper now is an insurance company that makes more money by denying your care. So they do. they hire doctors to find ways to fight your claims and give bonuses to those who cheat the most people out of the care they paid for. You hate public workers who would do their jobs but trust people who make more money by denying healthcare.

If you have ever dealt with a serious illness, chance are very good that you spent many hours on phones and filling out and mailing paperwork, fighting with insurance companies. When you are at your weakest, they force you to exert energy battling them.it is a cruel and ugly system that even a guy like you, paranoid about government workers, should be able to figure out is evil.

 

[Boris The Animal]

Actually the Constitution is still to be followed TO THE LETTER! I will never support the Soviet style healthcare model you espouse, Bolshevik.

 

[Nordberg]

Actually the Constitution is still to be followed TO THE LETTER! I will never support the Soviet style healthcare model you espouse, Bolshevik.[/Q

Another post showing anger has replaced thinking and logic in your life. your previous posts had already made that clear. You are a labeler. Soviet style? where do you get a crazy idea like that?

the Supremes have fought for a couple centuries over what the constitution says. Learned and educated people debated. they should have just come to you, the person who knows what it says,.

And your favorite president is great friends with Putin and Russian oligarchs. Perhaps he will bring us Russian healthcare. No other president ever threatened that possibility.

 

[Boris The Animal]

Actually the Constitution is still to be followed TO THE LETTER! I will never support the Soviet style healthcare model you espouse, Bolshevik.[/Q

Another post showing anger has replaced thinking and logic in your life. your previous posts had already made that clear. You are a labeler. Soviet style? where do you get a crazy idea like that?

the Supremes have fought for a couple centuries over what the constitution says. Learned and educated people debated. they should have just come to you, the person who knows what it says,.

And your favorite president is great friends with Putin and Russian oligarchs. Perhaps he will bring us Russian healthcare. No other president ever threatened that possibility.

Shut up, asswipe. Your views are NOT what America needs. Your vision of an America where everyone is totally dependent on Big Daddy Government to wipe their pathetic little asses because they refuse to work or take responsibility for their own lives is why we are in deep shit.

 

[archives]

Shut up, asswipe. Your views are NOT what America needs. Your vision of an America where everyone is totally dependent on Big Daddy Government to wipe their pathetic little asses because they refuse to work or take responsibility for their own lives is why we are in deep shit.

Now here^ is someone who definitely needs to turn off the radio and get out more, a lot more

Then again, he probably is doing us all a favor, usually one would have to hang around a good ole boy bar for hours to hear what he offers in seconds

 

[Boris The Animal]

Now here^ is someone who definitely needs to turn off the radio and get out more, a lot more

Then again, he probably is doing us all a favor, usually one would have to hang around a good ole boy bar for hours to hear what he offers in seconds

Why? Your attempts to turn me into a communist like you have failed. I will never compromise my Conservative Principles for anyone.

 

[Nordberg]

Why? Your attempts to turn me into a communist like you have failed. I will never compromise my Conservative Principles for anyone.

typical Repub hater. you are driven by childish anger and entrenched positions that are ridiculous. Communism was seen as a threat 50 years ago, but we have had a solid wall between us and them until your boy Daffy came along. Daffy is a Putin good old boy and friends of Russian oligrachs. Your blind hate of Russia makes your right wing Repug stance a joke. Scared of Communism, then flee from Donald.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Robo,

America’s healthcare during my boyhood and early adulthood, (late 30's, 40's and early 50's) was never a political issue. It’s documented that Harry Truman once tried to introduce a federal government healthcare plan and I think he was laughed out of the Oval Office. I don’t remember healthcare being an issue until the feds got involved with Medicare in like the 60's sometime I think. From my experience America’s healthcare has been going downhill ever since. Seems the more the feds mess with it the more costly and more people , not fewer people can’t get healthcare except by emergency room care.

I remember when doctors and hospitals had low cost and no cost clinics the doctors donated time to and the hospitals donated facilities and equipment and private charities donated money and other services to the poor and folks of meager means.

I remember when almost every employer could easily afford health insurance for their employees and plans where whole families could go to the doctor and or the hospitals and pay next to nothing for care. Most plans even offered dental and visual coverage.

I think America should get the feds out of the healthcare and health insurance business and encourage the people and the states to go back to the good old days in American healthcare.

I disagree. Two big things have changed since the 30's - 50's:

1.) Food has become unhealthy. There didn't used to be so much processed food. With the advent of TV, a large percentage of the population has become addicted to unhealthy food. Health care costs so much partly because we become so sick!

2.) Diagnosis and treatment has progressed, but the advancements are very expensive. X-Ray machines were a pretty new then. And very pricey. Normalized use of X-Ray machines for medical purposes did not occur until WWII. They, and subsequent use of medical imaging techniques such as CAT Scan, and MRI have become increasingly expensive. Those things simply were not regularly available in the the 30's and early 40's. And we paid a costly price for learning how to use them. Doctors didn't know any better when it became routine to X-Ray pregnant mothers. After many deformities, the danger was realized, and the practice was ceased.

Health care could be very inexpensive if we went back to the less effective level of care prior to modern medicine. But few advocate for that. People appreciate the advancements.

Since nobody who urgently needs care has the effective ability to shop around for price, there is no typical free market competition in medical care. For that reason, capitalism is not a good model to use for health care. We should adopt a totally socialist approach where we, the people, own all the facilities and hire all the workers. Health care service should be akin to military service, with all the personnel thought of as serving the nation. Big pharma and big insurance are ripping us off.

I would compromise to a position of Single Payer for insurance, but we still have to be free to negotiate as a volume buyer with pharma industries.

I like the Medicare-For-All idea.

 

[Boris The Animal]

typical Repub hater. you are driven by childish anger and entrenched positions that are ridiculous. Communism was seen as a threat 50 years ago, but we have had a solid wall between us and them until your boy Daffy came along. Daffy is a Putin good old boy and friends of Russian oligrachs. Your blind hate of Russia makes your right wing Repug stance a joke. Scared of Communism, then flee from Donald.

And become a pussy Leftist like you? I'll pass.

 

[Nordberg]

Hello Robo,



I disagree. Two big things have changed since the 30's - 50's:

1.) Food has become unhealthy. There didn't used to be so much processed food. With the advent of TV, a large percentage of the population has become addicted to unhealthy food. Health care costs so much partly because we become so sick!

2.) Diagnosis and treatment has progressed, but the advancements are very expensive. X-Ray machines were a pretty new then. And very pricey. Normalized use of X-Ray machines for medical purposes did not occur until WWII. They, and subsequent use of medical imaging techniques such as CAT Scan, and MRI have become increasingly expensive. Those things simply were not regularly available in the the 30's and early 40's. And we paid a costly price for learning how to use them. Doctors didn't know any better when it became routine to X-Ray pregnant mothers. After many deformities, the danger was realized, and the practice was ceased.

Health care could be very inexpensive if we went back to the less effective level of care prior to modern medicine. But few advocate for that. People appreciate the advancements.

Since nobody who urgently needs care has the effective ability to shop around for price, there is no typical free market competition in medical care. For that reason, capitalism is not a good model to use for health care. We should adopt a totally socialist approach where we, the people, own all the facilities and hire all the workers. Health care service should be akin to military service, with all the personnel thought of as serving the nation. Big pharma and big insurance are ripping us off.

I would compromise to a position of Single Payer for insurance, but we still have to be free to negotiate as a volume buyer with pharma industries.

I like the Medicare-For-All idea.

Medicare does not solve the problems. It only covers 80 percent. In America ,with our enormous operation and maintenance costs, 20 percent can break you. We really want to make it so a person who gets ill or in an accident does not suffer bankruptcy or homelessness. we need universal heathcare with the power taken out of Pharm and health insurances hands.

 

[Robo]

Medicare does not solve the problems. It only covers 80 percent. In America ,with our enormous operation and maintenance costs, 20 percent can break you. We really want to make it so a person who gets ill or in an accident does not suffer bankruptcy or homelessness. we need universal heathcare with the power taken out of Pharm and health insurances hands.

Explain the universal healthcare plan you support and how and by who it gets funded and what you believe it will cost.

 

[Robo]

it did not exist back then. Founders were also silent on nuclear weapons and nuclear energy. Where did we derive the right to those things when it is not in the constitution? Women voting is against the constitution. What is wrong with us allowing them to vote?

Like the woman's vote, our founders left that issue and all others open to Article 5. Where's the Article 5 authority for Medicare and Medicaid?

 

[Robo]

Hello Robo,



I disagree. Two big things have changed since the 30's - 50's:

1.) Food has become unhealthy. There didn't used to be so much processed food. With the advent of TV, a large percentage of the population has become addicted to unhealthy food. Health care costs so much partly because we become so sick!

2.) Diagnosis and treatment has progressed, but the advancements are very expensive. X-Ray machines were a pretty new then. And very pricey. Normalized use of X-Ray machines for medical purposes did not occur until WWII. They, and subsequent use of medical imaging techniques such as CAT Scan, and MRI have become increasingly expensive. Those things simply were not regularly available in the the 30's and early 40's. And we paid a costly price for learning how to use them. Doctors didn't know any better when it became routine to X-Ray pregnant mothers. After many deformities, the danger was realized, and the practice was ceased.

Health care could be very inexpensive if we went back to the less effective level of care prior to modern medicine. But few advocate for that. People appreciate the advancements.

Since nobody who urgently needs care has the effective ability to shop around for price, there is no typical free market competition in medical care. For that reason, capitalism is not a good model to use for health care. We should adopt a totally socialist approach where we, the people, own all the facilities and hire all the workers. Health care service should be akin to military service, with all the personnel thought of as serving the nation. Big pharma and big insurance are ripping us off.

I would compromise to a position of Single Payer for insurance, but we still have to be free to negotiate as a volume buyer with pharma industries.

I like the Medicare-For-All idea.

Because people eat food that's bad for them, the taxpayers should finance their healthcare, right?

Can you show me the constitutional authority for Medicare and Medicaid?

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Nordberg,

Medicare does not solve the problems. It only covers 80 percent. In America ,with our enormous operation and maintenance costs, 20 percent can break you. We really want to make it so a person who gets ill or in an accident does not suffer bankruptcy or homelessness. we need universal heathcare with the power taken out of Pharm and health insurances hands.

Agreed, but we need to get there incrementally, due to misconceptions.

Just as I see the PPACA as a stepping stone, so is Medicare-For-All.

It is our next logical step, and it is possible. It is within the realm of easy visualization, making the argument convincing enough that we can make American greater by doing this now.

Down the road, after we get used to MFA, we can further improve it by making the changes needed to go to fully universal health care.