The Good Old Days Of America's Healthcare System, Bring It Back

archives said:
I remember when a phone call cost ten cents and party lines existed, should we return to those days? What was the average life expectancy of the 1950's compared to today?

Health care wasn't even close to being as efficient, and more so, widespread, than it is today. What you are falling prey to is pure nostalgia, fortunately, life moves on
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you shouldn't always throw the baby out with the bath water, but in this case, the mistakes were made long ago

http://themisescircle.org/features/government-solved-the-health-care-crisis/
 
Nordberg said:
our system is at the bottom of industrial nations. that is because a huge part of our health care money goes to profits and execs. healthcare should not be a for-profit enterprise. that guarantees that a huge part of our care cost goes to proifits and funnels up to the wealthy.
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This thread isn't about support for our present system, it's suggesting a better system that was, once upon a time.

You can trust the ratings of healthcare systems worldwide if you want. I think they're compiled by biased socialist thinkers making "pie-in-the-sky" claims about single payer systems ignoring their negatives and purposely down grading capitalistic systems.

"For profit" capitalism has always proven to be better than any government system in the long run. Eventually governments always run out of "other people's" money.
 
signalmankenneth said:
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Single payer systems have millions of people on waiting list with pre-existing illnesses. They don't get care either! Have you made a toon about that yet?
 
NiftyNiblick said:
The government IS me, partially.
I have a vote in the government.
I have no vote in the insurance company boardrooms.

The only people in charge of their own healthcare are those people who can pull out their checkbooks and pay huge, six-figure medical bills on their own.

If this is you, G, congrats. It's certainly not very many people.

That's why the entire civilized world has settled on socialized medicine.
It's also why we're not part of the civilized world.
Even less so right now.
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Well since y'all want to make this thread all about America's SUCK present system, for lack of rational responses to the original OP proposition of a better system, I'll play that silly game also.

Maybe what's wrong with today's American system is because Democrats & Republicans in federal offices are owned and operated by BIG Phrma lobbyist and that's why drug cost so much in America. Maybe it's because BIG government in Washington and the States have dictated what level of "one-size-fits-all insurance has to be sold in the states and nothing else can be bought or sold and bought across state lines. Maybe it's because BIG government D's & R's are owned and operated by BIG law firm corporations and they won't do anything about the cost of Medical malpractice insurance. Maybe America's healthcare sucks because BIG government has meddled in it, socialized much of it and our governments state and federal are operated on BIG MONEY special interest bribery loot? What's your response to that?
 
Wilhelm Zenz said:
FDR TRIED TO create a medical insurance program, no one was laughing, people wanted it, its always been needed and the medical lobby has blocked it, you think we are the only nation in the developed world with no comprehensive system because it works? no everyone agrees it is a crime, a recent poll in canada asked which system they would prefer over 90% said their universal single payer system, youve been brain washed people go broke if they get cancer or some catestrophic illness ask old people if they want to get rid of medicare none will say they do, were you even alive in the 30s 40s and 50s by the wat those were new deal years there were medical programs back then National Health Insurance and the New Deal
President Roosevelt continued to support national health reform throughout his terms. His second push for
national health insurance came after the Social Security Act passed. However, the momentum from FDR’s
Technical Committee on Medical Care and a National Health Conference were not enough to overcome a
Congress that was no longer supportive of further government expansions.

1954
President Eisenhower proposes a federal reinsurance
fund to enable private insurers to broaden the
groups of people they would cover
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Maybe since you're so versed in America's healthcare history you can point to the constitutional authority for the federal government to be involved in America's healthcare?

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." (Amendment 10, United States Constitution)
 
Robo said:
And medical science has advanced, your point is?
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then we cant go back to the days of the town Dr huh


we can go back to dying much younger

that is what you idiots are asking us to do


the people say no thanks and have said no thanks for years now


So the republican party cheats in elections to protect medical insurance Companies profits

Once you assholes cant STEAL elections we will get universal care
 
Robo said:
Maybe since you're so versed in America's healthcare history you can point to the constitutional authority for the federal government to be involved in America's healthcare?

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." (Amendment 10, United States Constitution)
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general welfare
 
there in fact is a socialistic program written right into the constitution by the founders themselves

the post office


the founders showed themselves that the constitution allows for such programs
 
Robo said:
What's your response to that?
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Comparing Democrats to Republicans is a false equivalency, but fear not.

The traditional centrist Democrats are going down.

You certainly won't mistake the new social Democrats as Republicans-Lite.
 
Boris The Animal said:
We do not need government run healthcare. Especially considering it delivers shitty care and say buh bye to any new research and innovations, asshole!
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Better care. cheaper and covers everyone. A profit making healthcare system will reward the greedy. they will take money out of the sick and injured for fun and profit. Desperate people will pay whatever they have to to survive. When they recover, they are broke and maybe homeless. But at least insurance companies will get richer and richer. In the last 15 years, healthcare costs have gone up over 220 percent. that corrected for inflation. we are being looted.
 
Since FDR they had tried to create a Medical program for americans, our system has always been lacking, and that is proof, the ama stops progress
 
evince said:
general welfare
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“If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress…. Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America.” (James Madison)

To lay taxes to provide for the general welfare of the United States, that is to say, “to lay taxes for the purpose of providing for the general welfare.” For the laying of taxes is the power, and the general welfare the purpose for which the power is to be exercised. They are not to lay taxes ad libitum for any purpose they please; but only to pay the debts or provide for the welfare of the Union. In like manner, they are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose. To consider the latter phrase, not as describing the purpose of the first, but as giving a distinct and independent power to do any act they please, which might be for the good of the Union, would render all the preceding and subsequent enumerations of power completely useless.
1. It would reduce the whole instrument to a single phrase, that of instituting a Congress with power to do whatever would be for the good of the United States; and, as they would be the sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do whatever evil they please. (Thomas Jefferson)
 
Good argument. the national government should qualify teachers and nationally judge curricula. Lots of jobs are national or international in nature and it is good to have the same educational systems in every state. You should be able to move to another state and have similar educational experiences.
And that argument about sole decisions is poor. the national government is not a person, but a collection of seemingly expert people trying to elevate education. You can also argue that by voting for these people, the American population is involved . they too are part of the decision making process.
 
Nordberg said:
Better care. cheaper and covers everyone. A profit making healthcare system will reward the greedy. they will take money out of the sick and injured for fun and profit. Desperate people will pay whatever they have to to survive. When they recover, they are broke and maybe homeless. But at least insurance companies will get richer and richer. In the last 15 years, healthcare costs have gone up over 220 percent. that corrected for inflation. we are being looted.
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No, government run healthcare where everything is nationalized, like you want, delivers substandard shit quality and say buh bye to any new innovations because they won't be allowed in your "Brave New World".
 
Boris The Animal said:
No, government run healthcare where everything is nationalized, like you want, delivers substandard shit quality and say buh bye to any new innovations because they won't be allowed in your "Brave New World".
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Wrong again, or is it still. the US is at the bottom of healthcare ratings in industrialized nations, dead bottom. By any measurements, they get better health care than we do and better results. And much, much cheaper. When taiwan was going to install a national heath care system, they visited the US to see what they should NOt do.

It is time for the us to nationalize healthcare and save poor disgruntled taxpayers like you a lot of money and provide better healthcare. You will thank us.

then we can nationalize banks.
 
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