The green scene demeaned, right here on your screen

Sailor said:
Lol! And what does that matter if all fossil fuel companies refuse to sell to NYC and the State??
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That is a huge market you are demanding that oil companies give up. One that they will not give up.

But you are forgetting that commerce also involves investment, so the oil companies would also have to swear off the stock and bond markets. They could setup a new stock and bond markets completely outside of New York, but that would require time, and be far less efficient. It would require them to give up over a trillion dollars.

Sorry nazi bitch, but life is not that simple.
 
Walt said:
That is a huge market you are demanding that oil companies give up. One that they will not give up. But you are forgetting that commerce also involves investment, so the oil companies would also have to swear off the stock and bond markets.
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Is that so, Salty Walty?
 
Walt said:
That is a huge market you are demanding that oil companies give up. One that they will not give up.

But you are forgetting that commerce also involves investment, so the oil companies would also have to swear off the stock and bond markets. They could setup a new stock and bond markets completely outside of New York, but that would require time, and be far less efficient. It would require them to give up over a trillion dollars.

Sorry nazi bitch, but life is not that simple.
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Oil companies won't stop selling in NY state. They'll just raise the price of their products to cover the fees the state demands. Gas goes up by say a dollar-a-gallon overnight. See how popular that is with the public and their elected officials...

What can NY state do about that other than whine? Price gouging? Yea, that'll fly like a lead balloon, unless of course the oil companies have to deal with courts and judges that are corrupt, biased, and willing to simply find for the state regardless of the law and facts. Of course, we all know such courts and judges don't exist in NY state... :rolleyes: :palm:
 
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T. A. Gardner said:
If they even have offices there now.
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They do.


There are (at least) dozens of oil companies with some form of presence or office in New York.

However, the exact number could be higher, considering smaller or less publicized operations might not be included in these lists.

Thus, a conservative estimate based on the available data would be that there are at least several dozen oil companies with offices in New York.


@Grok
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Not to mention that those in gas, oil, and nuclear are for the most part NOT direct business subsidies to prop up what are otherwise failing business models.
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I suspect that you're correct.

Remember, retail taxes on gasoline and diesel fuel help fund governments.

Retail taxes on gasoline and diesel fuel in the U.S. generate significant government revenue.

According to data from the U.S. Energy Information Administration, state and local governments collected approximately $53 billion from motor fuel taxes in 2021, which represents about 1.3% of general revenue.

This figure excludes any additional revenue from general sales taxes levied on fuel purchases.

At the federal level, the excise tax rates are set at 18.3 cents per gallon for gasoline and 24.3 cents per gallon for diesel fuel, with an additional 0.1 cent per gallon for the Leaking Underground Storage Tank fee.

State taxes vary widely, with some states suspending or modifying their fuel taxes in response to economic conditions or policy changes, but the average state motor fuel tax rate was around 32.26 cents per gallon for gasoline in 2023, with diesel tax rates also varying by state.


@Grok
 
Diogenes said:
I suspect that you're correct.

Remember, retail taxes on gasoline and diesel fuel help fund governments.

Retail taxes on gasoline and diesel fuel in the U.S. generate significant government revenue.

According to data from the U.S. Energy Information Administration, state and local governments collected approximately $53 billion from motor fuel taxes in 2021, which represents about 1.3% of general revenue.

This figure excludes any additional revenue from general sales taxes levied on fuel purchases.

At the federal level, the excise tax rates are set at 18.3 cents per gallon for gasoline and 24.3 cents per gallon for diesel fuel, with an additional 0.1 cent per gallon for the Leaking Underground Storage Tank fee.

State taxes vary widely, with some states suspending or modifying their fuel taxes in response to economic conditions or policy changes, but the average state motor fuel tax rate was around 32.26 cents per gallon for gasoline in 2023, with diesel tax rates also varying by state.


@Grok
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I'm absolutely correct. I've had to go through that discussion several times here alone. Some Lefty brings up oil subsidies, etc., and then lists them. I go through the list eliminating bullshit ones like accounting methods allowed by the IRS and such along with things like specific research into stuff like special fuels for the military, and what's left is a tiny fraction of the total US subsidies.

They then bring up how other nations heavily subsidize them. That's irrelevant to a discussion of US subsidies and I point that out.

Solar and wind receive direct subsidies to make up for their negative profit margins. Even with those, companies are refusing to build things like offshore wind farms because these are horribly unprofitable. There are solar industries going back to Obama's administration that got tens, even hundreds of millions and still went bankrupt. EV charging stations? Don't even go there. Those are such a horrible loser economically it's surprising any get installed at all.
 
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Why is the Kooky Klimate Kult avoiding this thread?


It may be because they fear that'll I'll point out that after 40 years of relentless 'change your ways or the world will end', it's apparent that - even though I haven't changed my ways (and I doubt they have, either) - the world hasn't ended.
 
The United Nations is partnering with the Brazilian government to strengthen campaigns against “climate disinformation.”

They want to control the flow of information so that you only hear "facts that boost support for urgent climate action.”

Socialist Secretary General António Guterres says, “𝑊𝑒 𝑚𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑎𝑙𝑠𝑜 𝑡𝑎𝑘𝑒 𝑜𝑛 𝑐𝑙𝑖𝑚𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑖𝑛𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑚𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛... 𝑊𝑒 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑘 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑒𝑎𝑟𝑐ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑝𝑎𝑟𝑡𝑛𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑠𝑡𝑟𝑒𝑛𝑔𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑛 𝑎𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡 𝑐𝑙𝑖𝑚𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑖𝑛𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑚𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛.”


https://un.org/climatechange/information-integrity…
 
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