Not until Ezra, moron. The Babylonians set up a different cult for themselves.
The Historicity of Jesus Christ
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Not until Ezra, moron. The Babylonians set up a different cult for themselves.
IBDaMann
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This is a case of there being fire without any smoke, and the bush was not being consumed.
IBDaMann
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I'm going to backpedal. I have learned some new information that has changed my perspective on this matter. I think the patrilineal -> matrilineal shift occurred later than Ezra.
It was a policy started by Ezra, as a gimmick by the Babylonians to keep all political and economic power in the hands of the returning exiles.
Not all Jewish sects practice it. Karaites, Samaritans, and a couple other sects still practice the original Hebrewism of Moses and the written Torah.
Modern 'rabbinical Judaism' and its fictional 'oral Torah' are a later fiction; Christianity is an older Jewish sect than 'rabbinical Judaism' , by some 100 years. Despite all the lip service, modern rabbinical Judaism does not follow the Torah of Moses, and has invented its own 'Oral Torah' scam, built largely on racist nonsense. The only real Torah is the one attributed to Moses, the first 5 books.
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Let me correct your first sentence:
Jesus Christ's existence is confined to the pages of the Christian Bible (New Testament).
Jesus Christ's existence is confined to the pages of the Christian Bible (New Testament).
ZenMode
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Archaeologists find 1,600-year-old churches and mural of Jesus in Egyptian desert settlement
Structures show transition from paganism to ChristianityArchaeologists uncover 1,600-year-old churches in Egypt's Western Desert | Fox News https://share.google/viZ99XJLOJX34d7xa
Dutch Uncle
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Interesting find. I fail to see why atheists think the entire religion was fabricated.
The centerpiece of the excavation, however, was the discovery of two churches. Both structures date back to the early Coptic era, Egypt’s Christianization period that began in the 4th century A.D.
ZenMode
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probably for the same reason that Christians believe all other religions are fabricated?
Dutch Uncle
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All Christians or just the White Christian Nationalists?
This is a problematic sentence. Obviously the religion is fabricated. The fact that the faith exists and that people have believed this for many a year is not something that is fabricated.
Seriously: who cares that there were Egyptian Christians 300 years after Jesus' ministry? That would have zero bearing on whether the religion is made up or not.
Dutch Uncle
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“Though shalt smoke weed”?
"The Bible" is a compilation or library of books which didn't exist until four centuries after Jesus' life.
What you have in the first century are multiple independent attestations of Jesus' life, ministry, and death by Jews ( Paul, Matthew, Mark, John) and gentiles (Luke).
Then you have surviving attestations about Jesus from the Jewish historian Josephus, the Roman governor Tacitus, and most scholars believe Jesus is mentioned by the Roman historian Suetonius, in the Jewish Talmud, and by the Syrian stoic Bar Sarpion.
Margot
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Genesis 3:22 What if the Man ate of the Tree of Life and lived foreverThe New Testament didn't exist in the first century AD. It didn't exist until centuries later.
What you have in the first century are multiple independent accounts of Jesus life, death, and resurrection by both Jews and gentiles, and by both witnesses and people who knew the eyewitnesses.
Accounts by the Jews Mark, Paul, Matthew, John, and by the gentile Luke eventually became canonical.
Non-canonical attestations are from the gentile Clement who seems to have known Peter, and the gentile Polycarp who was a disciple of the apostle John.
That's not counting the Greek, Syrian, Roman, and Talmudic sources referencing the historical Jesus.
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Nothing like just reading the book for learning. Ezra imposed discrimination and 'racial purity' rules re Jews who married foreign women not being 'real Jews', which of course is just absurd, given the previous histories of the tribes; they were not 'racially pure', they were confederations and patrilineal re ancestry. The only reason for the change was to reinforce Bablylonian rule over the Temple and the state and exclude 'tainted' Jews, ie. non-Babylonians from power. The later regulations just made it more explicit. It was the same thing as Ezra's racist rubbish.
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