The Insanity of deregulation.
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First dump the small business crap , the perimeters of many small businesses are monstrous as far as product sales are concerned. Sounds like oh poor small business just trying to get ahead , how about 37.5 million in gross sales a year. Let me see ,at that amount I have little angst for not being overly concerned when someone starts talking about small business.
cawacko
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What are you talking about?
cawacko
Well-known member
Limiting competition is for the people? That's a new one
When people start talking about small business everyone starts getting sympathetic to this mom and pop idea of business. Well when you can have sale up to 37.5 million a year. It isn't small business. Everyone starts thinking of the hardware store in town owned by a nice family. NOT some of these small businesses can have 37.5 million in sales and still fit within the perimeters of small business.
You can't take your argument anywhere unless you take it down a small part of regulations. What one out of 100 are pushed through to limit competition. Getting rid of regulations just to stop that small aspect of regulations is ridiculous. No one here is saying their isn't regulations that can't be dumped, the hate party needs them though so when they get the chance , they protect the bad stupid ones to use in the future and only go after regulation that reflect on big B bottom line no matter how many people die from it,
SmarterthanYou
rebel
here is what your voluminous regulations do.......
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/08/11/woman-fighting-fine-for-selling-tamales-without-permit/
Dennise Cruz recently found a yellow postcard from the City of Carrollton stating she needed to call the court or she could find herself in cuffs.
“That has to be wrong. I don’t have any tickets under my name. That’s just my first reaction. Never would have I thought, tamales,” said Cruz. “To know that somebody can be arrested over that, that to me is unbelievable.”
A few months back, Cruz decided to whip up some masa, steam up some corn husks and post on Nextdoor she was selling tamales.
“It’s just so common. That’s why to me, I don’t understand why it’s such a big deal,” said Cruz.
But it was a big deal and carried $700 fine with the offense.
“When it hit me, I was like that is a lot of money,” said Cruz.
When she called the city, a clerk told her someone reported her for not having a food permit to sell the tamales.
“I don’t understand because if anything I would have rather them come to me first if they had any concerns,” said Cruz.
Carrollton Environmental Services said it takes food borne illnesses very seriously.
A director said a fine was issued and not a warning because tamales are considered “potentially hazardous food” due to the cooked corn and meat being used.
“What if somebody got sick from them? What if somebody could have died from them? And I completely understand those concerns,” said Cruz.
But she feels the city’s actions are a little extreme.
“I’ve seen so many people doing it. And unfortunately it’s me who’s having to deal with it,” said Cruz. “I’d just rather stay away from that at the moment, making tamales.”
Cruz said the fine would be $617, but because she wants to fight it in court it is $700.
A friend set up a GoFundMe account to help pay for the legal costs Cruz currently faces.
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/08/11/woman-fighting-fine-for-selling-tamales-without-permit/
Dennise Cruz recently found a yellow postcard from the City of Carrollton stating she needed to call the court or she could find herself in cuffs.
“That has to be wrong. I don’t have any tickets under my name. That’s just my first reaction. Never would have I thought, tamales,” said Cruz. “To know that somebody can be arrested over that, that to me is unbelievable.”
A few months back, Cruz decided to whip up some masa, steam up some corn husks and post on Nextdoor she was selling tamales.
“It’s just so common. That’s why to me, I don’t understand why it’s such a big deal,” said Cruz.
But it was a big deal and carried $700 fine with the offense.
“When it hit me, I was like that is a lot of money,” said Cruz.
When she called the city, a clerk told her someone reported her for not having a food permit to sell the tamales.
“I don’t understand because if anything I would have rather them come to me first if they had any concerns,” said Cruz.
Carrollton Environmental Services said it takes food borne illnesses very seriously.
A director said a fine was issued and not a warning because tamales are considered “potentially hazardous food” due to the cooked corn and meat being used.
“What if somebody got sick from them? What if somebody could have died from them? And I completely understand those concerns,” said Cruz.
But she feels the city’s actions are a little extreme.
“I’ve seen so many people doing it. And unfortunately it’s me who’s having to deal with it,” said Cruz. “I’d just rather stay away from that at the moment, making tamales.”
Cruz said the fine would be $617, but because she wants to fight it in court it is $700.
A friend set up a GoFundMe account to help pay for the legal costs Cruz currently faces.
THIS CRAP DOESN'T DEFINE REGULATION, IT DEFINES YOU STUPIDITY. WHAT A CLOWN, ONE DOPEY EXAMPLE AND WE ARE TO BELIEVE THAT ALL REGULATIONS ARE BAD, WE'RE DEALING WITH BLIND IGNORANCE HERE.WHAT DID YOU THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, ALL OF US WERE GOING TO SAY , YOU PUTTING IT IN SUCH DYNAMIC TERMS HAS MADE ME GO AGAINST ALL REASON AND TAKE UP YOUR LEXICONICAL GENIUS.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
YOU are responsible for this woman being fined and being unable to provide for herself and her kids. YOU are responsible for that and it's completely intellectually dishonest to try to intimate that i'm saying ALL regulations are bad when all i'm referring to are licensing. so accept that YOU are responsible for keeping low income people in a low income bracket. YOU
Not About regulations you say, then why did you start your garbage remark with"here is what your voluminous regulations do......." That's you own first words in your remark, brain dead comes to mind.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
licensing is included in regulations, and YOU specifically said you wanted licenses to ensure that the person was qualified to do whatever work was needed......well there's an unintended consequence of you wanting to feel safer.
Corporations have enormous power. Regulations and the agencies are all we have to protect us from that power. Yeah, making buildings safer, making oil plants cleaner, making sure people have rights when dealing with powerful companies, and so many others are for your benefit and the long term benefit of the country. They can make it a little more expensive to produce . Sure making sure homes in hurricane zones have better roofs and trusses does cost money in manufacturing. But they charge the buyer for it. They don't give it away.
I welcome regulation. we need more.
I welcome regulation. we need more.
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Hello SmarterthanYou,
The purpose of these rules is obvious. If it were the 1800's and this happened in a small town where everybody knows everybody, it would not be needed as the supplier and the customers are all well-acquainted, and the customers would have a reasonable belief that the supplier would have their concerns at heart while maintaining cleanliness and due diligence in preparation of her tamales. And the supplier must be wary of getting a bad reputation. Fast forward to today in a metropolitan setting, the supplier can have most customers unacquainted, and no such feeling of community or repercussion should the quality of the product slide to dangerous levels. It is prudent that the society institute a system to ensure that consumables are safe, hence food safety regulations requiring registration and random inspections. A supplier which forgoes this required expense gains an unfair advantage over competitors, thus circumventing the basics of capitalism.
Hello SmarterthanYou,
The purpose of these rules is obvious. If it were the 1800's and this happened in a small town where everybody knows everybody, it would not be needed as the supplier and the customers are all well-acquainted, and the customers would have a reasonable belief that the supplier would have their concerns at heart while maintaining cleanliness and due diligence in preparation of her tamales. And the supplier must be wary of getting a bad reputation. Fast forward to today in a metropolitan setting, the supplier can have most customers unacquainted, and no such feeling of community or repercussion should the quality of the product slide to dangerous levels. It is prudent that the society institute a system to ensure that consumables are safe, hence food safety regulations requiring registration and random inspections. A supplier which forgoes this required expense gains an unfair advantage over competitors, thus circumventing the basics of capitalism.
Interesting that regulation makes products safer and the manufacturing of them cleaner. I am not going to go through the trouble of burying you in the regulation about products and their creation. Anyone with firing neurons knows about that.Probably not you, because you think, that you have discovered a specific reglulation about housing, that is somehow shows regulation is bad. China manufacturers like you approve. They used lead based paint in kids toys. they made pet food that killed lots of pets. They made wood for homes that released toxic chemicals. But at least they did not have regulation., that is what industry does when they make the decisions.
cawacko
Well-known member
It's not a zero sum game. It's not having a million or zero regulations. This is a simpleton argument. Each instance stands on its own and should be discussed that way. As far as housing its a massive area and since you are one who complains about income and wealth inequality and gilded ages you need to look at housing. You complain about inequality but support what exacerbates it.
Not About regulations you say, then why did you start your garbage remark with"here is what your voluminous regulations do......." That's you own first words in your remark, brain dead comes to mind.
You sat here and made a broad statement that regulations are bad and of course that's just stupid and people let you know that fact , so now it isn't all regulations , your a fraud. Your arguments responding to your made up comments on what everyone says. That form of argument shows what a weak argument is. Its nonsense. If you don't know what that means let me know I'll explain it. You can't argue any way at all without bullshitting what other people say. Things that weren't even suggested. I have to admit though that your fun to play with.
