The Iraq War Was a Mistake!

Dixie said:
I've never said that Hamas, Chechens, or Kurds, stated their goal is a global caliphate. I stated in very plain and understandable English, that many so-called "Arab Nationalists" support the concept of a global Caliphate.

Here's your link...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_nationalism

Arab nationalism is a common nationalist ideology in the wider Arab world. Arab nationalism is a form of cultural nationalism. It is a claim to common heritage — that all Arabic speakers are united by a shared history, culture, and language. Pan-Arabism is a related concept, which calls for the creation of a single Arab state [Caliphate], but not all Arab nationalists are also Pan-Arabists.

Read that last line carefully... it does not state that NO Arab Nationalists are Pan-Arabists, does it? This, I am assuming, is because SOME Pan-Arabists ARE Arab Nationalists, or at least claim to be, which is why I specifically used the term "so-called" when I made my statement.

You really need to work on reading comprehension, Prissy.
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WIKIPEDIA? LMAO!

I asked you for a reliable, american intelligence assessment, that showed Hamas and like-minded sunni nationalists want a global caliphate.

I even cut you some slack, and did a word search for "caliphate" on your lame wikipedia link. The word wasn't there.

I skimmed your lame wikipedia link too. Didn't see anything about a global calipahte.
 
Cypress said:
WIKIPEDIA? LMAO!

I asked you for a reliable, american intelligence assessment, that showed Hamas and like-minded sunni nationalists want a global caliphate.

I even cut you some slack, and did a word search for "caliphate" on your lame wikipedia link. The word wasn't there.

I skimmed your lame wikipedia link too. Didn't see anything about a global calipahte.
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I've been giving you nothing but bipartisan american intelligence estimates....and you give me wikipedia? LOL

Even more embarrassing, your lame wikipedia link doesn't even back your assertion. Your lame wikipedia link doesn't say a word about a global caliphate
 
so those actions are NOT synonymous with supporting islamofascist in your mind? You flip flop in the same fucking paragraph!

No flip flop... No, it's not synonymous. There is a distinct difference between allowing a group to train, or giving logistical support, and actually supporting the objectives and policies of that group. For instance, your church might allow the Boy Scouts to meet at your facility, it doesn't mean you are all members of the Boy Scouts, or instead of studying the Bible, you now have to study the Boy Scout Handbook. And if this Boy Scout troop is later discovered to be a front for a drug cartel, it doesn't mean your church supported drugs!

Iraq did not offer official government support to the Islamofascist movement, but that doesn't mean that Saddam's corrupt regime of misfits, weren't being cordial to alQaeda and helping them in any way they could. Because that happened, doesn't mean that we should be able to prove Saddam supported the movement, or otherwise it didn't happen. That is just pure stupidity, as well as an inability to comprehend the difference between supporting a movement and giving assistance to a group.
 
Cypress said:
I've been giving you nothing but bipartisan american intelligence estimates....and you give me wikipedia? LOL

Even more embarrassing, your lame wikipedia link doesn't even back your assertion. Your lame wikipedia link doesn't say a word about a global caliphate
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Dixie: Arab nationalism is a common nationalist ideology in the wider Arab world. Arab nationalism is a form of cultural nationalism. It is a claim to common heritage — that all Arabic speakers are united by a shared history, culture, and language.

That's got nothing to do with your assertion that their goal is a global caliphate.

Arab nationalism, as wikipedia correctly points out, is about strengthening and promoting a broader arab identity. I could have told you that four years ago, when you didn't even know the difference between persians and arabs, or sunni and shia.

What's that got to do with YOUR assertion, that they want a GLOBAL caliphate? How is Australia, North America, and South America at risk of being overrun by a muslim caliphate?
 
I asked you for a reliable, american intelligence assessment, that showed Hamas and like-minded sunni nationalists want a global caliphate.

LMAO... Why would I possibly feel compelled to try and prove something so ridiculous that I never stated? Try to get this through that thick head of yours... I never said that ALL Arab Nationalists wanted a Caliphate! I realize you want to desperately make that my argument, but it just isn't what I said.

While you are at Wikipedia, feel free to search "Caliphate" and explain to us what it is, if not the creation of a single Arab state?
 
Dixie said:
I asked you for a reliable, american intelligence assessment, that showed Hamas and like-minded sunni nationalists want a global caliphate.

LMAO... Why would I possibly feel compelled to try and prove something so ridiculous that I never stated? Try to get this through that thick head of yours... I never said that ALL Arab Nationalists wanted a Caliphate! I realize you want to desperately make that my argument, but it just isn't what I said.

While you are at Wikipedia, feel free to search "Caliphate" and explain to us what it is, if not the creation of a single Arab state?
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TRANSLATION: You've got nothing from a reliable american intelligence sourse, that affirms that Hamas' (and like-minded sunni nationalists) goal is for a global muslim caliphate.


Good. You've got nothing. We can move on from the Hamas global caliphate bullshit
 
I never said that ALL Arab Nationalists wanted a Caliphate! I realize you want to desperately make that my argument, but it just isn't what I said.


Then just name one major sunni nationalist group that wants a GLOBAL caliphate.

Hamas? PLO? Baathists?

And be prepared to provide a credible link to an american intelligence source that affirms this assertion.
 
What's that got to do with YOUR assertion, that they want a GLOBAL caliphate? How is Australia, North America, and South America at risk of being overrun by a muslim caliphate?

Because the Caliphate is the first step, not the final step. You don't comprehend this because you haven't read the Quran, or better yet, the perverted teachings of the terrorists, and don't understand the radical Islamofascist objectives of the Caliphate with regard to the return of Muhammad. Complete unfettered control of the middle east, is the first step to control of the world. For you to fail to understand this, is not surprising in the least, pinheads typically fail to understand the nature of our threats until it's too late. When some radical punk Islamofascist is sawing off your mother's head in your living room, you'll begin to understand... until then, you remain as clueless as any liberal pinhead, and don't see the danger. It amazes me, that some of you actually manage to make it through the day without being hit by a bus or something.
 
TRANSLATION: You've got nothing from a reliable american intelligence sourse, that affirms that Hamas' (and like-minded sunni nationalists) goal is for a global muslim caliphate.

Please post the quote from me, that EVER asserted such nonsense, or apologize for LYING about it! Asshole!
 
Dixie said:
TRANSLATION: You've got nothing from a reliable american intelligence sourse, that affirms that Hamas' (and like-minded sunni nationalists) goal is for a global muslim caliphate.

Please post the quote from me, that EVER asserted such nonsense, or apologize for LYING about it! Asshole!
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-Mainman: "No arab nationalist organizations support the establishment of a global caliphate...."

-Dixie: This is incorrect, many so-called "Arab Nationalists" support the concept of a global Caliphate"
 
Cypress said:
-Mainman: "No arab nationalist organizations support the establishment of a global caliphate...."

-Dixie: This is incorrect, many so-called "Arab Nationalists" support the concept of a global Caliphate"
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and don't try to fall back to the lame "islamofascist" bullshit.

Which nationalist arab organization did Saddam support that advocated a Global caliphate:

You have your choice: Hamas, PLO, or anti-iranian MEK.
 
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Cypress said:
Dixie: I never said that ALL Arab Nationalists wanted a Caliphate! I realize you want to desperately make that my argument, but it just isn't what I said.


Then just name one major sunni nationalist group that wants a GLOBAL caliphate.

Hamas? PLO? Baathists?

And be prepared to provide a credible link to an american intelligence source that affirms this assertion.
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still waiting......
 
Then just name one major sunni nationalist group that wants a GLOBAL caliphate.

Again.... Never claimed that sunni nationalists wanted a Caliphate, global or otherwise. I think you really need to go back and read what I posted again. Stop asking me to prove some idiocy you interpreted into my words, and refuse to accept that I didn't say, and then proclaiming yourself victorious for "winning" the debate that never existed!

Some Arab Nationalists are in line with the concept of an Islamic Caliphate. Armagedongoneinsane and OBL are two such "so-called Arab Nationalists" who believe in the Caliphate objectives. In fact, most of the people who support the Islamofascist movement, are also Arab Nationalist, because the Caliphate itself, is a "national Arab state" by definition.

What you seem to be wanting me to prove, is that all Christians supported the KKK... just name me one denomination that supported the KKK! I never said this, I never argued this point, I merely stated that the KKK perverted Christianity just as the Islamofascists perverted Islam.

Anyone can clearly see, it is YOU who is trying to spin the debate here, not me. You've managed to divert the conversation from Saddam's support of terrorism, off into this long drawn out debate over Arab Nationalists, and arguments I never made. When I show you there are indeed people who claim to be Arab Nationalists, in line with the idea of a Caliphate, you will switch the debate again, because you can't argue on topic, it's impossible for you to do that. So, you just keep jumping from one idiotic point to the next, hoping that your fellow pinheads will be impressed with your cut and paste skills and ability to divert the conversation. More power to you, pinhead!
 
Many so-called "Arab Nationalists" support the concept of a global Caliphate"

See? Where I learned English... this is slightly different from...

Hamas and like-minded sunni nationalists want a global caliphate.

Does your retarded pinhead brain process English differently from the rest of us, or what?
 
Dixie said:
Many so-called "Arab Nationalists" support the concept of a global Caliphate"

See? Where I learned English... this is slightly different from...

Hamas and like-minded sunni nationalists want a global caliphate.

Does your retarded pinhead brain process English differently from the rest of us, or what?
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The whole context, was that you asserted Saddam's support for anti-iranian and anti-israeli terrorists - whom are largely nationalists in nature - justified invading iraq.

I'm still waiting for you to name one nationalist terrorist group saddam supported, who advocated a GLOBAL caliphate.

I'm still waiting. Its well known which palestinian and anit-iranian kurdish groups saddam gave money or support to. This shouldn't take more than 5 seconds for you to go on record, and answer..........
 
Cypress said:
The whole context, was that you asserted Saddam's support for anti-iranian and anti-israeli terrorists - whom are largely nationalists in nature - justified invading iraq.

I'm still waiting for you to name one nationalist terrorist group saddam supported, who advocated a GLOBAL caliphate.

I'm still waiting. Its well known which palestinian and anit-iranian kurdish groups saddam gave money or support to. This shouldn't take more than 5 seconds for you to go on record, and answer..........
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Cypress, I have to agree with you that as far as I can determine, the hope for a caliphate are restricted to Muslim controlled countries. Is that your point?
 
Runyon said:
Cypress, I have to agree with you that as far as I can determine, the hope for a caliphate are restricted to Muslim controlled countries. Is that your point?
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Pretty much. If those countries are dead-set on being theocracies, fuck 'em. That's their choice. We should develope alternative energy, so we don't have to fuck with their oil.

And I certainly see zero posibility of hamas, hezbollah, or technologically-backwards arab theocracies building navies and invading iceland, norway, australia, or us and establishing a "global" caliphate.
 
Cypress said:
Pretty much. If those countries are dead-set on being theocracies, fuck 'em. That's their choice. We should develope alternative energy, so we don't have to fuck with their oil.

And I certainly see zero posibility of hamas, hezbollah, or technologically-backwards arab theocracies building navies and invading iceland, norway, australia, or us and establishing a "global" caliphate.
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Agreed. With that said however, seems to be some evidence that 'control' is defined by establishing sharia law and forcing the conversion or dhimmi class? It doesn't have to be 'majority' control, just Islamic law? Again, that is my understanding.
 
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