The KKK is to Christianity what AlQueda is to Islam.

Care4all said:
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do they kill the people that do not convert via suicide?

its bullshit to compare any off the wall christian groups with alqaeda...

merry christmas btw! :D
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No they kill no one, just pressure people to be depressed and kill themselves if they can't fit into Christmas.

Happy Yuletide Care :D

And on the Christian AQ comparison I agree, excpet for the extreme wingnuts that call for a genocidal war against islam. those are mostly individuals though, or individual churches, not official sects of Christianity.
 
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Cypress said:
its bullshit to compare any off the wall christian groups with alqaeda...


I compare these guys:

The Lord's Resistance Army (LRA), formed in 1987, is a rebel paramilitary group operating mainly in northern Uganda. The group is engaged in an armed rebellion against the Ugandan government in what is now one of Africa's longest-running conflicts. It is led by Joseph Kony, who proclaims himself a spirit medium, and apparently wishes to establish a state based on his unique interpretation of the Acholi religious syncretism and Biblical millenarianism.

The LRA have been accused of widespread human rights violations, including mutilation, torture, rape, the abduction of civilians, the use of child soldiers and a number of massacres.
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What is the Acholi Religious Syncretism and what has it to do with Christianity? It seems that this guy has created his own little thing, another offshoot of Western religion... Much like the Quran has many stories in it you can find in the Bible doesn't make Islam into Christianity, it seems like this guy isn't much of a Christian either.
 
Damocles said:
What is the Acholi Religious Syncretism and what has it to do with Christianity? It seems that this guy has created his own little thing, another offshoot of Western religion... Much like the Quran has many stories in it you can find in the Bible doesn't make Islam into Christianity, it seems like this guy isn't much of a Christian either.
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"what has it to do with Christianity?"

Ugandan Civil War
Globalsecurity.org

"The LRA rebels say they are fighting for the establishment of a government based on the biblical Ten Commandments. They are notorious for kidnapping children and forcing them to become rebel fighters or concubines. More than one-half-million people in Uganda's Gulu and Kitgum districts have been displaced by the fighting and are living in temporary camps, protected by the army.

Forty-eight people were hacked to death near the town of Kitgum in the far north of Uganda on 25 July 2002. Local newspaper reports said elderly people were killed with machetes and spears, and babies were flung against trees. Ugandans were shocked by the brutality of the latest attack by the rebel Lord's Resistance Army. "


http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/lra.htm
 
Cypress said:
"what has it to do with Christianity?"

Ugandan Civil War
Globalsecurity.org

"The LRA rebels say they are fighting for the establishment of a government based on the biblical Ten Commandments. They are notorious for kidnapping children and forcing them to become rebel fighters or concubines. More than one-half-million people in Uganda's Gulu and Kitgum districts have been displaced by the fighting and are living in temporary camps, protected by the army.

Forty-eight people were hacked to death near the town of Kitgum in the far north of Uganda on 25 July 2002. Local newspaper reports said elderly people were killed with machetes and spears, and babies were flung against trees. Ugandans were shocked by the brutality of the latest attack by the rebel Lord's Resistance Army. "


http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/lra.htm
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Once again, it is based on both Acholi (this is not Christianity) Syncretism AND that, this is a whole new animal that isn't Christianity. It's like saying that Muslims are all Christians because many of the same sentiments and stories exist in both of the books.... They aren't Christians, mostly because of the native religion of Syncretism that they use to promote their agenda. Ignoring the fact of the mixture of two religions that makes them into a whole different category is only to promote the idea that they are "Christians" doing this.

The ten commandments exist in All Three of the Major Western religions, so are they Muslims because of that?
 
and most of the world's 1 billion muslims, would say al qaedas tactics and philosophy aren't a truly "islamic". So what's the difference between terrorists who pervert the religion of islam, and terrorists who pervert christianity?


You can pretend that no where on the planet, are people who are committing terrorism and atrocities in the name of christian "values", or hindu "values", or buddist values - and that its all coming from muslim terrorists.

but, you'd be wrong.
 
Cypress said:
and most of the world's 1 billion muslims, would say al qaedas tactics and philosophy aren't a truly "islamic". So what's the difference between terrorists who pervert the religion of islam, and terrorists who pervert christianity?


You can pretend that no where on the planet, are people who are committing terrorism and atrocities in the name of christian "values", or hindu "values", or buddist values - and that its all coming from muslim terrorists.

but, you'd be wrong.
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It would be the same difference as those who take Christianity and make it mean that they can bomb Abortion clinics. However they take only Christianity to make their justifications, they don't take Voodoo (for instance) and Christianity and mix them creating something new to justify those actions.

That is why your analogy doesn't quite fit in this case. It is an entirely new religion based in syncretism with a few verses from a Bible thrown in... This is something other than syncretism or christianity, it is new.

More like saying the Moonies are Christians because some of what he says comes from the Bible.
 
You sound exactly like a mainline american muslim, explaining why al qaeda is not at all truly islamic.

What's the difference between these guys and al qaeda? OBL is not a religious leader, or islamic scholar. He's an insurgent and rebel leader, who picks and chooses passages from the koran, to justify killing people and using atomic bombs on civilian populations. His motivation isn't religious - as much as it is political; its to drive western armies and influence out of the arab countries.
 
Except I don't. I would were I trying to explain why the "KKK" isn't Christian.

One group uses the one religion only to justify their means, the other has created a whole new religion out of the cloth of more than one.

You sound like somebody desperate to find that these are "Christians" regardless of the syncretism base to their movement. What other religion are al Qaeda using mixed with some parts of Islam? None, they use solely Islam, much like the KKK uses solely Christianity in their wretched little justifications.
 
Okay, you win Damo:

Islam is the only world religion, that is perverted by some people for terrorist acts and atrocities.

No where on the planet, is there any "christian" "hindu" or "buddhist" atrocities being commited in the name of christian values or hindu values.
 
Cypress said:
"what has it to do with Christianity?"

Ugandan Civil War
Globalsecurity.org

"The LRA rebels say they are fighting for the establishment of a government based on the biblical Ten Commandments. They are notorious for kidnapping children and forcing them to become rebel fighters or concubines. More than one-half-million people in Uganda's Gulu and Kitgum districts have been displaced by the fighting and are living in temporary camps, protected by the army.

Forty-eight people were hacked to death near the town of Kitgum in the far north of Uganda on 25 July 2002. Local newspaper reports said elderly people were killed with machetes and spears, and babies were flung against trees. Ugandans were shocked by the brutality of the latest attack by the rebel Lord's Resistance Army. "


http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/lra.htm
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1) LRA Description:

"Founded in 1989 as the successor to the Holy Spirit Movement, the LRA seeks to overthrow the Ugandan Government and replace it with a regime that will implement the group’s brand of Christianity."

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/lra.htm


2) "The LRA rebels say they are fighting for the establishment of a government based on the biblical Ten Commandments.

globalsecurity.org
 
Cypress said:
Okay, you win Damo:

Islam is the only world religion, that is perverted by some people for terrorist acts and atrocities.

No where on the planet, is there any "christian" "hindu" or "buddhist" atrocities being commited in the name of christian values or hindu values.
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Right you could tell that was what I meant by the example that I used of Christians doing it... :rolleyes:

Come on, you don't have to be disingenuous. I spoke of both the KKK and of those who bomb abortion clinics, but it's all good... You can pretend that I said only Islam is perverted. I provided reasons behind my rationale, you can pretend that didn't exist as well....

You had to search hard to find ones that didn't mention the Syncretism base, didn't you?

So are they a perversion of syncretism or christianity? Let's pretend it is only Christianity so you can call them christians even though they aren't really the same thing because of the syncretism that centers that new faith....

You clearly don't want to admit that I have provided plenty of examples of christians perverting their religion and have reason to believe that this is different and have explained why.

Just as those bombing abortion clinics and the KKK use solely Christianity to justify their actions, al Qaeda uses solely Islam to justify theirs. If al Qaeda used Hindi and Islam for instance I'd be saying that they too were something different than Islamic...
 
Cypress said:
1) LRA Description:

"Founded in 1989 as the successor to the Holy Spirit Movement, the LRA seeks to overthrow the Ugandan Government and replace it with a regime that will implement the group’s brand of Christianity."

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/lra.htm


2) "The LRA rebels say they are fighting for the establishment of a government based on the biblical Ten Commandments.

globalsecurity.org

3) Human Rights Watch: "The Lord's Resistance Army has long identified itself with a Christian religious tradition. It is led by Joseph Kony, who claims to be in communication with the Holy Spirit."


http://hrw.org/english/docs/1997/09/18/uganda1528.htm
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However, I have specified why I would call theirs a perversion of the muslim religion, and why I would call the KKK and those abortion bombers a perversion of christianity, while I would call this an entirely different animal.

Much like saying that Islam is Judaism because it all extends from Abraham and has much the same stories... It isn't. Just as a new form of religion based on syncretism mixed with some biblical traditions is also a new religion....
 
Damocles said:
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So in the face of multile credible source, linking the LRA to christian terrorism, Damo has tapdanced his was from:

"But, the LRA doesn't have ANYTHING to do with christianity!"

To....

"Hey, the LRA has a unique interpretation of christianity - like the taliban does of islam!


;)
 
Cypress said:
So in the face of multile credible source, linking the LRA to christian terrorism, Damo has tapdanced his was from:

"But, the LRA doesn't have ANYTHING to do with christianity!"

To....

"Hey, the LRA has a unique interpretation of christianity - like the taliban does of islam!


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I asked what syncretism had to do with Christianity. You are being disingenuous again? Stunning shocker.

Specifically I asked what Acholi religious syncretism had to do with Christianity...
 
Can you settle on one argument please? I can't debate someone who keeps changing their argument every 15 minutes. First, you claimed LRA didn't have anything to do with christianity. They you pointed out that they had a unique interpretation of christianity.

Same can be said for taliban and al qaeda.

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Cypress said:
Can you settle on one argument please? I can't debate someone who keeps changing their argument every 15 minutes. First, you claimed LRA didn't have anything to do with christianity. They you pointed out that they had a unique interpretation of christianity.

Same can be said for taliban and al qaeda.

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Once again. I made no such claim. I specifically asked you what Acholi religious syncretism had to do with Christianity. You are attempting to battle a strawman there.

I then expressed a belief that when one takes two religious beliefs and mixes them they come up with a different and third belief. You have simply ignored the third faith on the basis that you want it so desperately to be Christianity.

I have explained myself well in this thread, you have pretended you can't read.
 
Damocles said:
Once again. I made no such claim. I specifically asked you what Acholi religious syncretism had to do with Christianity. You are attempting to battle a strawman there.

I then expressed a belief that when one takes two religious beliefs and mixes them they come up with a different and third belief. You have simply ignored the third faith on the basis that you want it so desperately to be Christianity.

I have explained myself well in this thread, you have pretended you can't read.
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Damo, I see the problem; may I suggest a class at your local community college on world religions?

With two billion christians on the planet, not everybody practices "christianity" as we commonly know it from the american methodist church, or american penecostal church.

Though much of latin american, the carribean, and africa, local traditions and mythologies have been incorporated into their christian faith. Including idolatry and animism. Ever heard of the santeria catholicism practied by many latin american catholics? Just like american values and traditions have been incorporated into evangelical american christian churches.

there's probably a community college nearby you, that offers a world religion class where you could inform yourself.

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