The KKK is to Christianity what AlQueda is to Islam.

AnyOldIron said:
There is no real entity called AQ as a terrorist organisation anymore. The AQ hardcore have been scattered, killed or captured.

al Qaeda means more than just 'the base'. It means 'a vanguard' and 'a methodology' as well...

The vanguard has been decimated, it barely exists anymore. But the destruction of the vanguard is the easy part. Dealing with the methodology is by far the hard part.

We aren't fighting a terrorist organisation called al Qaeda anymore. We are dealing with a message, the message of jihad in defence of the Umma. We are fighting to prevent more Muslim minds being seduced into the message.

And we are currently losing badly...
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Yes, and we are losing badly because you can't fight a methodology -- or an idea, as the media more often have it -- with guns and bombs. It doesn't work. No matter how strongly certain individuals feel that it just has to work if only we keep it up long enough.
 
Jarod said:
Well in order to fight AL Queda we should look to see what methods were successfull in fighting the KKK.

It took a generational change... Education of the children of racists... Forced social progress (the civil rights movement) and forced cultural change with intigration. It also took some affirmative action. Once the races were forced to mix most individuals learned the races are not so different.

How would that translate to the Al Queda problem?

Liberal Education of Arab children would be a start. Forcing the market place open to forign investment and trade would also help. Any other ideas?
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Those are a good start and truly the only way to achieve real change...
 
OrnotBitwise said:
Yes, and we are losing badly because you can't fight a methodology -- or an idea, as the media more often have it -- with guns and bombs. It doesn't work. No matter how strongly certain individuals feel that it just has to work if only we keep it up long enough.
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Of course you can fight ideologies. You deport people who espouse them.

Islam is a totalitarian philosophy and as such, is shit. Just because our PC world gives cover to anything posturing as a religion, doesn't mean our culture is right.
 
Of course you can fight ideologies.

Can't fight ideologies with guns and bullets...

Islam is a totalitarian philosophy and as such, is shit. Just because our PC world gives cover to anything posturing as a religion, doesn't mean our culture is right.

All religions are innately totalitarian...
 
AnyOldIron said:
Of course you can fight ideologies.

Can't fight ideologies with guns and bullets...

Islam is a totalitarian philosophy and as such, is shit. Just because our PC world gives cover to anything posturing as a religion, doesn't mean our culture is right.

All religions are innately totalitarian...
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Of course you can fight ideologies with guns and bullets. You kill everyone who espouses those thoughts. Don't say things are impossible just because you don't have the nads. Ok, chief?

And all religions are not innately totalitarian. Christianity teaches salvation through voluntary consent, not coercion. God only wants you if you want him. He is not an enslaver of mankind. Christ explicity preached a separation between faith and worldly power. Render unto caesar... blah blah blah. He was a rebel. That's why the gnostic/new age/masonic totalitarians hate jesus.
 
Of course you can fight ideologies with guns and bullets. You kill everyone who espouses those thoughts. Don't say things are impossible just because you don't have the nads. Ok, chief?

But ideas spread. Have you never heard of memetics?

The Romans had a damn good crack at exterminating Christianity, especially under Marcus Aurelias. Couldn't do it.

To defeat an ideology, you have to undermine it, and make it irrelevant.

Nothing to do with not having the nads. Its to do with thinking things through rather than thinking 'derr fuck it, lets just kill everyone...'

And all religions are not innately totalitarian. Christianity teaches salvation through voluntary consent, not coercion. God only wants you if you want him. He is not an enslaver of mankind. Christ explicity preached a separation between faith and worldly power. Render unto caesar... blah blah blah. He was a rebel. That's why the gnostic/new age/masonic totalitarians hate jesus.

Bollocks. I take it you are a Christian then? LMOA!

Christianity is as totalitarian as they come. It has its thoughtcrime (sin), it expects its acolytes to accept the word of its priests without question, insists on following a moral code dictated by priests and is headed by a 'god' that resembles Saddam Hussien... ie if you creep up to 'god' you are rewarded, if you piss him off, he tortures you for eternity.

Just because Christianity has been tamed by reason, secularism and science doesn't make it any less incidious or totalitarian than any other religion.
 
AnyOldIron said:
Of course you can fight ideologies with guns and bullets. You kill everyone who espouses those thoughts. Don't say things are impossible just because you don't have the nads. Ok, chief?

But ideas spread. Have you never heard of memetics?

The Romans had a damn good crack at exterminating Christianity, especially under Marcus Aurelias. Couldn't do it.

To defeat an ideology, you have to undermine it, and make it irrelevant.

Nothing to do with not having the nads. Its to do with thinking things through rather than thinking 'derr fuck it, lets just kill everyone...'

And all religions are not innately totalitarian. Christianity teaches salvation through voluntary consent, not coercion. God only wants you if you want him. He is not an enslaver of mankind. Christ explicity preached a separation between faith and worldly power. Render unto caesar... blah blah blah. He was a rebel. That's why the gnostic/new age/masonic totalitarians hate jesus.

Bollocks. I take it you are a Christian then? LMOA!

Christianity is as totalitarian as they come. It has its thoughtcrime (sin), it expects its acolytes to accept the word of its priests without question, insists on following a moral code dictated by priests and is headed by a 'god' that resembles Saddam Hussien... ie if you creep up to 'god' you are rewarded, if you piss him off, he tortures you for eternity.

Just because Christianity has been tamed by reason, secularism and science doesn't make it any less incidious or totalitarian than any other religion.
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Now that all depends on what kind of Christian you are. If you are a Catholic Ill give it to you that its totalitarian. If you are a Christian who does not belong of follow a church, but follows the teachings of Christ, thats not totalitarian.
 
True collectivism despises a hierarchy. "communism" is fascism with a face of lies. Man truly is a collective animal, meaning we're better off working together. All the various "forms of government" are perverted by the elderly and cynical, as they become fearful and willing to victimize their young, with powerful promisemakers promoting enslavement through the demonic power of the privatization of currency policy, which ultimately will demand the enslavement of populations as collateral. Jesus said no. Can you dig it, superfreak?
 
AssHatZombie said:
True collectivism despises a hierarchy. "communism" is fascism with a face of lies. Man truly is a collective animal, meaning we're better off working together. All the various "forms of government" are perverted by the elderly and cynical, as they become fearful and willing to victimize their young, with powerful promisemakers promoting enslavement through the demonic power of the privatization of currency policy, which ultimately will demand the enslavement of populations as collateral. Jesus said no. Can you dig it, superfreak?
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Wanderingbear, is that you?
 
AssHatZombie said:
True collectivism despises a hierarchy. "communism" is fascism with a face of lies. Man truly is a collective animal, meaning we're better off working together. All the various "forms of government" are perverted by the elderly and cynical, as they become fearful and willing to victimize their young, with powerful promisemakers promoting enslavement through the demonic power of the privatization of currency policy, which ultimately will demand the enslavement of populations as collateral. Jesus said no. Can you dig it, superfreak?
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Whether you're Wanderingbear or not, I do trust you realize that you're a Maoist.

:D
 
Now that all depends on what kind of Christian you are. If you are a Catholic Ill give it to you that its totalitarian. If you are a Christian who does not belong of follow a church, but follows the teachings of Christ, thats not totalitarian.

If you believe in sin (thoughtcrime) and a dictatorial god, it's totalitarian.

If god isn't involved, and you follow just the teachings of JC, then you might have a point.... :)
 
AnyOldIron said:
Now that all depends on what kind of Christian you are. If you are a Catholic Ill give it to you that its totalitarian. If you are a Christian who does not belong of follow a church, but follows the teachings of Christ, thats not totalitarian.

If you believe in sin (thoughtcrime) and a dictatorial god, it's totalitarian.

If god isn't involved, and you follow just the teachings of JC, then you might have a point.... :)
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All the recent yammer about Thomas Jefferson's copy of the Koran and whatnot has reminded me that this very thing was the dream of said (basically atheistic) Founding Father. He even re-wrote the Bible -- or took a razor to it, as some would have it -- to take out all of the supernatural elements.

Now there was a man who didn't hold with fear of God as the basis for moral behavior.
 
AssHatZombie said:
It is from the hadiths, but you're underplaying the value of the hadiths in the muslim world. Westerners also make this mistake with jews and their book of hate, the talmud. The talmud supercedes the torah.
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What a dumb asshole! The Talmud is a book of legal opinions and discussions between Rabbis over the centuries in regard to Torah
 
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