The left sneers at those who do not have college degrees.

Grumpy said:
Just what am I making up Jade? How many posts have you seen on JPP that say blue states are better educated and more intelligent than red states. So what is your problem?
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Why? Because despite what your intellect may be, we have a lot of people being drug around by the nose, by a serial liar. Every time he fails to deliver it's still the same droned out nonsense. They buy into his uncultured, and unintelligible babble all the time. Just the fact, that such tactics is working, means the reptilian brain is being utilized more, and intelligence isn't.
 
Grumpy said:
The next time you lefties need your car repaired, plumber, electrician, general maintenance man or any of the myriad of professions that require specialized training and not a sheep skin. Insist that they be college educated then see how long it takes to get the needed repairs. College is great for many professions but often technical schools are just as demanding when it comes to knowledge and intelligence as many college degree programs. So sneer at the poor uneducated boob fixing your plumbing making $40 an hour with no student debt. Yea a college degree really makes one superior. I have an advanced Bachelors degree so I am speaking from experience.
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Don't be silly. Leftists are the ones who want to help the working-class. Righties are the ones who want to let big business continue to fuck over the working-class.
 
StoneByStone said:
Don't be silly. Leftists are the ones who want to help the working-class. Righties are the ones who want to let big business continue to fuck over the working-class.
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Is that right? Then explain how your fellow lefties here brag how much better educated blue states are and how red state people are knuckle dragging red necks. Sorry your hipocrisy is showing.
 
Jade Dragon said:
Why? Because despite what your intellect may be, we have a lot of people being drug around by the nose, by a serial liar. Every time he fails to deliver it's still the same droned out nonsense. They buy into his uncultured, and unintelligible babble all the time. Just the fact, that such tactics is working, means the reptilian brain is being utilized more, and intelligence isn't.
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If I'm not mistaken I didn't mention Trump in any way shape or form. I simply paraphrase what the left claims endlessly. So I don't have an answer.
 
Grumpy said:
Is that right? Then explain how your fellow lefties here brag how much better educated blue states are and how red state people are knuckle dragging red necks. Sorry your hipocrisy is showing.
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Not bragging. Those are just real statistics that are available to all. Yes, Dems overall are more highly educated. That is called a statistic, not a brag. Those and many other stats are used to target voters. Why are you offended by stats?
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Not sure where you get this idea from, but I can assure you that it is false. Personally I would dearly love to see trade schools funded as well as other schools, and the trades given the same recognition and respect that white-collar professionals get. As you pointed out, we need plumbers, mechanics, electricians, day care and food service workers, carpenters, roofers, etc. We need 'em a lot more than we need more lawyers or English majors.

Wouldn't a work-for-tuition scheme be great with our immigrants too? Rather than paying them crap wages under the table, let's set up some schools teaching needed skills for them. They can work to pay for their tuition, and we can require that if they bring a spouse he/she has to work too even if they aren't attending school.
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What? Are you trying to tell us the you’ve never sneered at someone just on the basis of whether or not they have a college degree? I know that I personally go places with my mortarboard on and my framed diploma and hold in the faces of construction workers, waiters, and most of all dog catchers!!!

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The OP doesn’t have this “idea”. This is a smear thread that you have resurrected with your very thoughtful post.

I differ with you on the approach however (I imagine). Here is what I’d do instead of “funding trade schools”, I would take the Social Security model and flip it. The actual proposal is very long but here it is in a nutshell. You get 60 hours of conventional college or the trade school equivalent paid for upfront by Uncle Sam. Over your work life, you pay it back through payroll deductions—plus a small set fee-- not to exceed $200 per month (or $100 per paycheck). The amount of payback would be based on a metric that takes into account your age and how much you spent getting your 60 hours of college or a vocational certificate. This would be open to all Americans. Those just out of HS get 2 years paid. Those in school right now, get 2 years paid (perhaps their final 2 years). Those in a career can get enhancements paid for (LVN can take courses to become an RN for example). Those who are looking to switch careers or are retirees can do so as well. There are caveats for each group which safeguard the program but the gist is that we will have more educated persons without the student debt ball-and-chain.

I really disagree with you on the immigration aspect. There is a system in place for immigrants to become citizens; millions have availed themselves of this system; I recommend the person making “crap wages….under the table” use it. Perhaps we could make it less strenuous and less prosecutorial but there is a system in place.
 
Nordberg said:
Not bragging. Those are just real statistics that are available to all. Yes, Dems overall are more highly educated. That is called a statistic, not a brag. Those and many other stats are used to target voters. Why are you offended by stats?
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This is a recent change. In the ‘90’s and possibly still the aughts Republican voters were better educated. At the end of the day a person’s vote counts the same whether you are a college graduate or not.
 
StoneByStone said:
Don't be silly. Leftists are the ones who want to help the working-class. Righties are the ones who want to let big business continue to fuck over the working-class.
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The politics of this concept of “left wing snobbishness” is a case study in why the Democratic Party is so disappointing to me.

Here is a custom made, gift wrapped, manna-from-heaven entree into middle-income, middle-class America that the Democrats running for President are too blind to see and too tone-deaf to listen to. I went to ontheissues.org and looked at the education positions for several of the front-runners and the words “vocational education” are not anywhere on there to the best of my knowledge. Although all do support making the first few years of college free.

Campaigns are about winning; nothing else. You can’t govern if you do not win. And one of the ways you win is knowing what is important to voters. Drawing a distinction between vocational and what is thought of as traditional education is not only good messaging, it’s something vitally needed in this nation—more tradesmen and craftspersons. One way they could do this is to say to Mr. and Mrs. John Q. Public, “If you or your child doesn’t want to go to a traditional university, my plan will be just as strong to support your desired outcomes; whether it’s turning pages in a text book or turning a wrench on an engine block; whether it is learning how to operate on a human or operate a bulldozer; whether it is landing your partnership in a law firm or landing a private plane….”

That the Democrats running for office (thus far) are not hammering this topic when it is a very easy way to tap into the working class is really dumb politics.
 
Grumpy said:
The next time you lefties need your car repaired, plumber, electrician, general maintenance man or any of the myriad of professions that require specialized training and not a sheep skin. Insist that they be college educated then see how long it takes to get the needed repairs. College is great for many professions but often technical schools are just as demanding when it comes to knowledge and intelligence as many college degree programs. So sneer at the poor uneducated boob fixing your plumbing making $40 an hour with no student debt. Yea a college degree really makes one superior. I have an advanced Bachelors degree so I am speaking from experience.
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“Advanced” bachelors degree? :rofl2:

What the fuck is that, chump?
 
Grumpy said:
The next time you lefties need your car repaired, plumber, electrician, general maintenance man or any of the myriad of professions that require specialized training and not a sheep skin. Insist that they be college educated then see how long it takes to get the needed repairs. College is great for many professions but often technical schools are just as demanding when it comes to knowledge and intelligence as many college degree programs. So sneer at the poor uneducated boob fixing your plumbing making $40 an hour with no student debt. Yea a college degree really makes one superior. I have an advanced Bachelors degree so I am speaking from experience.
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ADVANCED bachelor's degree? LOL must be from a mail order bible skool:laugh:

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cawacko said:
Whether one supported or didn’t support the Iraq War has absolutely nothing to do with how those without college degrees today are viewed. That’s just stupid.

Let’s just cut to the chase, this is all about partisanship. If you are white, don’t have a college degree and hold conservative political beliefs you will be mocked by liberals like Cypress. If you are a minority without a college degree, are anti-intellectual but vote Democratic you will get a pass. It’s not about disliking ignorance, it’s disliking those who don’t vote how you would like them to.
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Here’s the way it works for RW ignorants. One of the greatest assets one can ever have, other than their parents, are good teachers. But the right continually mocks that profession as overpaid socialists. That’s why you are labeled as you are.
 
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