The main problem with Legacy Republicans

Woko Haram said:
Not really. AHZ's mention of California's change in discrimination policies is actually pretty interesting. It's being sugarcoated as improving freedoms for employers, but the background is exactly as he mentioned. The push for this policy change literally was a result of minority business owners wanting to only hire other minorities.

So, it's going to be very interesting if this is evenly enforced. This will allow minority business owners to hire only minorities, but will it allow white owners to hire only whites? I guess we'll find out.
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This isn't an example of Democrats changing their stances with the weather. The truth is, this law was never enforced against non-white people. I doubt it will be now.
And who exactly is AHZ even talking about? If I'm asking for specific examples of people, you can't just say "the Democrats." But AHZ is just a trolly boi, so I expect this from him.
 
Woko Haram said:
We've had this discussion before regarding what constitutes mainstream Democrats vs. the fringe elements. The reason I don't see much difference between the two is because of various recent events. First, during the presidential primaries, nearly all of the Democratic candidates pledged their support for reparations. Nearly all of them pledged support for healthcare coverage for illegals. Both of those positions were certainly considered fringe a year or two ago.
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Open borders and reparations were considered fringe, but none of those Democrats, with the exception of Biden and Bernie, really had a stance against them. I do think Bernie knows how bad open borders are, he correctly identified the policy as a "Koch Brothers scheme." And his flip on it now is an example of hypocrisy, but he's been consistent on everything else. So I wouldn't say Bernie believes in nothing, but rather he's willing to fight for a few things he disagrees with so that he can fight for all the things he does agree with. As opposed to Trump who only cares about enriching himself.

And I don't know if I mentioned this last time, but "health coverage for illegals" is pretty broad and none of the Democrats actually went into detail for what they mean. Technically, I'm for health care for illegals in that if a person is rushed to the hospital, and it turns out they're illegal, I don't believe they should be left to die. I think they should be helped, but then deported. Other people would say they should be helped but not deported, and they should get medical help for absolutely anything, like an American citizen. So we don't really know where all of the individual Democrats stand on this.

Second, it's pretty clear that the Democrats have wholeheartedly bought the BLM narrative about cops. They assume there is this massive racism problem with police, when just a few years ago, this stance was also considered fringe. Yet another fringe position that has become mainstream among Democrats is to defund the police. While it is true that some versions of this involve moving funds from police to other social services, plenty of local Democrats have literally pledged to dismantle the police -- Minneapolis being the most prominent example.
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The idea that police target Blacks has been mainstream for literally decades. Defunding the police also isn't new, there is just a bigger emphasis on this now because Blacks and Browns have more political power than ever before. Basically, these are ideas Democrats already embraced, but now they're being forced to really move their ass on the subject.

I do agree that the Democrats have started sucking up to Blacks and Browns more and it's only going to get worse as America becomes more multiracial. And yeah, maybe some of them don't even believe systemic racism is real. But that's very different from flip-flopping and never doing what you say, like Trump.
 
jacksonsprat22 said:
Explain yourself then, I'm not a mind reader.
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Judging people by their character rather than their race is a matter of treating them as individuals. For example, race doesn't really play much of a part in how I interact with a person that I know. What does play a part is their personality and preferences.
 
StoneByStone said:
This isn't an example of Democrats changing their stances with the weather. The truth is, this law was never enforced against non-white people. I doubt it will be now.
And who exactly is AHZ even talking about? If I'm asking for specific examples of people, you can't just say "the Democrats." But AHZ is just a trolly boi, so I expect this from him.
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Well, the majority of California's legislature is Democrats. So, in this case, it would be those specific legislators.
 
Woko Haram said:
Judging people by their character rather than their race is a matter of treating them as individuals. For example, race doesn't really play much of a part in how I interact with a person that I know. What does play a part is their personality and preferences.
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Racist.
 
StoneByStone said:
Open borders and reparations were considered fringe, but none of those Democrats, with the exception of Biden and Bernie, really had a stance against them. I do think Bernie knows how bad open borders are, he correctly identified the policy as a "Koch Brothers scheme." And his flip on it now is an example of hypocrisy, but he's been consistent on everything else. So I wouldn't say Bernie believes in nothing, but rather he's willing to fight for a few things he disagrees with so that he can fight for all the things he does agree with. As opposed to Trump who only cares about enriching himself.

And I don't know if I mentioned this last time, but "health coverage for illegals" is pretty broad and none of the Democrats actually went into detail for what they mean. Technically, I'm for health care for illegals in that if a person is rushed to the hospital, and it turns out they're illegal, I don't believe they should be left to die. I think they should be helped, but then deported. Other people would say they should be helped but not deported, and they should get medical help for absolutely anything, like an American citizen. So we don't really know where all of the individual Democrats stand on this.

The idea that police target Blacks has been mainstream for literally decades. Defunding the police also isn't new, there is just a bigger emphasis on this now because Blacks and Browns have more political power than ever before. Basically, these are ideas Democrats already embraced, but now they're being forced to really move their ass on the subject.

I do agree that the Democrats have started sucking up to Blacks and Browns more and it's only going to get worse as America becomes more multiracial. And yeah, maybe some of them don't even believe systemic racism is real. But that's very different from flip-flopping and never doing what you say, like Trump.
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My focus was more on why I find it hard to identify what is actually fringe among Democrats vs. what is mainstream. I suppose Democrats haven't flip-flopped so much as left the door open to go as extreme as possible on various issues. So, again, can we even really identify what is fringe among Democrats, if they're willing to pander to any given identity group?
 
Woko Haram said:
My focus was more on why I find it hard to identify what is actually fringe among Democrats vs. what is mainstream. I suppose Democrats haven't flip-flopped so much as left the door open to go as extreme as possible on various issues. So, again, can we even really identify what is fringe among Democrats, if they're willing to pander to any given identity group?
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Fringe is any idea that isn't represented in mainstream politics. And that's something that continually changes. At one point, believing it's ok to have a Catholic president was a fringe left-wing idea.
Today abolishing the police is a fringe idea among both Ancoms and Ancaps. It's not a mainstream idea because it's not being seriously talked about among mainstream Democrats or Republicans.
 
Woko Haram said:
My focus was more on why I find it hard to identify what is actually fringe among Democrats vs. what is mainstream. I suppose Democrats haven't flip-flopped so much as left the door open to go as extreme as possible on various issues. So, again, can we even really identify what is fringe among Democrats, if they're willing to pander to any given identity group?
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you presume an ideology in these idiots. there is none. their mindset is just a phase in cynical rulership techniques. order ab chao.
 
Steven VanderMolen said:
COMPLETE post FAIL. Better luck next time.
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He's not really wrong. Trump had a few issues and projects that he wanted to pursue. Everything else was and is a transactional relationship with the voters who supported him, like appointing liberal (aka constitutionally conservative, as opposed to illiberal) judges and reversing Obama's foreign policy goals (as well as some of Bush's).
 
StoneByStone said:
Fringe is any idea that isn't represented in mainstream politics. And that's something that continually changes. At one point, believing it's ok to have a Catholic president was a fringe left-wing idea.
Today abolishing the police is a fringe idea among both Ancoms and Ancaps. It's not a mainstream idea because it's not being seriously talked about among mainstream Democrats or Republicans.
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Obvious Lie.
 
StoneByStone said:
Name some Democrats who want to abolish the police.
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Ward 1 - Kevin Reich
Ward 3 - Steve Fletcher
Ward 4 - Phillipe Cunningham
Ward 5 - Jeremiah Ellison
Ward 7 - Lisa Goodman
Ward 8 - Andrea Jenkins
Ward 9 - Alondra Cano
Ward 10 - Lisa Bender
Ward 11 - Jeremy Schroeder
Ward 12 - Andrew Johnson
Ward 13 - Linea Palmisano
 
AssHatZombie said:
why don't all you leftists just admit you love china and totalitarianism, and you hate america and freedom
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"Honesty is for chumps!" is one of the top ten guiding principles of the Regressive Left....that's why.

What we get from the Left now is an uninterrupted stream of BullShit.

They used to be better.
 
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