The Patriots

Battleborne said:
Really now Mr.AF...you were at these locations...humm alot of AF traffic on short fields...now say again you were there...what was your mos again...???unless ya were 'search and rescue' which I doubt since ya already said ya were supply! I think ya are the Bs'er of all times...as I said I was never attached to any 'Village' as I did combat research...which is still classified so I really can't answer your demands...unless I want to do time..I think not Mr.AF Bs'er...


Side note: to play fair I am willing to submitt my DD214 with 'personal'info blacked out for obvious reasons to Damo..as I trust him..you do the same and we will see who is Bs'in who...fair enough???...Put up or shut up with this already!
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All of those bases had airfields... long enough to handle the aircraft sent there... Tan Son Nhut had jets landing and taking off, their runway was plenty long... ALL of the others had runways capable of handling prop planes because moron, that's how I got there...

supply? I didn't say I was in supply... I was in air passenger /air freight... and posey, AF didn't have MOS's, that's an army thing...

I drove a bus at Tan Son Nhut... taking the warriors to their C-130s that took them up country to their outposts... and occasionally, I went on mobilities to some of those same outposts, resupplying the troopers with their tools of the trade... and on those missions we often used C-130s or JC-123s... the trip to Vinh Long was on a C7A... I took a taxi to Bien Hoa...

sure... whatever you say posey... what ever you say... you can't answer a simple question about the names of the bases in Viet Nam where you supposedly tested equipment in a war 40 years ago because you might get thrown in the slammer...

that's rich... that really is...

so posey... how many times did you see the AC-130 operate?

now that was a sweet aircraft...

and posey? I don't have to submit anything to Damo, you're a poser... pure and simple...
 
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my thread opener...

The Patriots

By Dr. Bob Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret.


The United States is in trouble. We're in danger of becoming a fascist dictatorship where big government and big business combine to rule, and where the people are considered just a source of labor. The marriage of government and the investor class has succeeded in exporting our jobs, importing illegal aliens to provide a pool of cheap labor, and thus driving down wages for all American workers and destroying the middle class. Their foreign and military policies have led us into unnecessary wars of aggression to gain raw materials and enhance profits of the global robber barons. Their trade policies have resulted in capital flight, job loss, trade deficits, and the ownership of much of our infrastructure by foreign interests.

We've gotten into this fix because our presidents, of both parties, have been servants of the global investors, and because our representatives in Congress, again of both parties, have abdicated their Constitutional responsibilities and subjected themselves to an imperial presidency.


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Accordingly, "The Patriots" is not a political party, but a nonpartisan organization of patriotic Americans seeking to return our country to Constitutional government based on truth and in service of the people. For now, we operate as a project of the non-profit Institute for Space and Security Studies, a 501c(3) organization. Our immediate mission is to educate the American people on the issues. In the future, we may form a "Patriot PAC" to support candidates for public office and to promote specific legislation. We also intend to form a Patriot Caucus including members of Congress from all political parties. However, for now we are concentrating on public education.

The first question usually raised is, "Is this organization conservative or liberal?" The answer to that question is, "Yes." We have both conservative and liberal members, and both conservative and liberal ideas. But mostly, we are just patriotic Americans embodying the best of both conservatism and liberalism in the service of the American people. Few Patriots will agree with all of the following positions, but all ascribe to the basic devotion to Constitution, truth, and service to the people. That is what is important. The specific policy positions below are mine alone. I see them as a good basis for further discussion. They are all anathema to those currently in power.

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Here are a few of his policies. (from the site above)

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We Patriots are "conservative" inasmuch as we are devoted to the Constitution, to limited government, and to fiscal responsibility.

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As conservatives, we oppose NAFTA, the WTO, and the SPP /NAU as being contrary to our sovereignty, antidemocratic, and against the interests of the American people....

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As conservatives, we define "national security" narrowly, meaning the protection of our nation, our borders, and our people....

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As conservatives, we support our military, including our veterans who have served and survived. ...snip... We believe that history has shown that combat veterans govern better than draft dodgers and chicken hawks. Those who have experienced the horrors of combat are less likely to send our sons and daughters off to fight wars for the oil companies.

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As conservatives, we will not tolerate "borrow and spend" government, which saddles our grandchildren with trillions in debt and gives China the ability to bankrupt us at will. We demand a return to balanced budgets and fiscal responsibility.

As conservatives, Patriots oppose a closed, manipulative, and secretive government, and demand the truth from our elected officials....


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As conservatives, we Patriots insist that our government fulfill its Constitutional responsibility to provide for the general welfare. We agree with the liberals that this must, for example, mean providing health care, including prescription drugs, for all Americans. The most fiscally responsible way to do that is to eliminate the overhead, profit, red tape, and obstructionism of the insurance companies by removing them from health care altogether with a Single-Payer National Health system.

As conservatives, we take seriously our responsibility to conserve the environment, our natural resources, and the beauty of our land, so that we may pass these on to our grandchildren and their grandchildren for generations to come.

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Yep, I like his policies... I sure wish a man like him was among the candidates we have to choose for our next president.
 
Stripey, we heard a lot of the same rhetoric out of Bush as well, remember ?
He was not into nation building or the US being the police force of the world, smaller government, etc, etc, etc...
He supported our Vets, yeah right the democratic congress had to override his budget proposal to cut VA benefits.

To me same old song different mouth.
 
Lol...

TheStripey1 said:
All of those bases had airfields... long enough to handle the aircraft sent there... Tan Son Nhut had jets landing and taking off, their runway was plenty long... ALL of the others had runways capable of handling prop planes because moron, that's how I got there...

supply? I didn't say I was in supply... I was in air passenger /air freight... and posey, AF didn't have MOS's, that's an army thing...

I drove a bus at Tan Son Nhut... taking the warriors to their C-130s that took them up country to their outposts... and occasionally, I went on mobilities to some of those same outposts, resupplying the troopers with their tools of the trade... and on those missions we often used C-130s or JC-123s... the trip to Vinh Long was on a C7A... I took a taxi to Bien Hoa...

sure... whatever you say posey... what ever you say... you can't answer a simple question about the names of the bases in Viet Nam where you supposedly tested equipment in a war 40 years ago because you might get thrown in the slammer...

that's rich... that really is...

so posey... how many times did you see the AC-130 operate?

now that was a sweet aircraft...

and posey? I don't have to submit anything to Damo, you're a poser... pure and simple...
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Very impressive....:rolleyes:


Yes I am familiar with the AC-130...as well as C-47(puff) and Huey UH1B et al... which the Army used!
as for the bases you listed damn... ya either did your homework or were there...now if you would stop with calling me names...which I refrained from doing to you...we can move on...as for calling me a "poser" and all and demanding which bases I served at...well no answer will be given as your attitude decided how much info I would give out...but for the record most of the experimentation was done in the 'Cambodia' area with Special Op's...so buzz off on this one...
 
TheStripey1 said:
Yep, I like his policies... I sure wish a man like him was among the candidates we have to choose for our next president.
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Quite frankly, Stripey1, he doesn't sound like any conservative I have heard about in the last 40 years. Those aren't conservative view points. They are Liberal ones that he, as a conservative, happens to believe in. All in all, the line is getting blurry because of the addition of the arrogant neocons who want to circumvent the law to "protect" us for our own good. Everyone else appears normal compared to those freaks.:party:
 
Lmao....

I did a little research based on the "Stripey One's' comments and attacks on vets...By his own admission he was the lowest of the low on the AF rooster...A bus driver..and material handler...and I went into the new (former )USMB forum to see what he was talking about...he brags about being a 'Painter' doing those fences!....lol...and he has the nerve to question me and what I did in 'Nam'...sorry but I am already retired from Federal service..both military and LE..so 'Stripey'( Are you not really Maineman or his apprentice)..lol... quit with all the BS..you have been found out...Like I would not research it...:eek: :gives:
 
Battleborne said:
First off I have absolutely no obligation to answer any of your obnoxious questions or demands...since you are new in here I will advise you to search my posts made long before you entered this forum...as I told you I worked TDY out of Cedec...Camp Roberts/Hunter Ligett...we did combat experimentation and took the protos to country to test and train the troops( my first tdy was to test the starlight scopes others followed)...and by the way since you are so obnoxious where did you say you were in Nam???Since you were Af I would guess Saigon or maybe India as my brother(who was AF in the area) advised me AF flew supply out of India and Pakistan...and thanks for the compliment on the pic...how did I look???(Never mind just more show/prove me questions will follow):321:
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The USAF flew out of the Phillipines and Thailand during the Vietnam War. There wasn't a USAF base in Saigon.

What was the major drawback to using a starlight?
 
Battleborne said:
First off I have absolutely no obligation to answer any of your obnoxious questions or demands...since you are new in here I will advise you to search my posts made long before you entered this forum...as I told you I worked TDY out of Cedec...Camp Roberts/Hunter Ligett...we did combat experimentation and took the protos to country to test and train the troops( my first tdy was to test the starlight scopes others followed)...and by the way since you are so obnoxious where did you say you were in Nam???Since you were Af I would guess Saigon or maybe India as my brother(who was AF in the area) advised me AF flew supply out of India and Pakistan...and thanks for the compliment on the pic...how did I look???(Never mind just more show/prove me questions will follow):321:
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When did they start testing sniper rifles at Fort Hunter-Liggett?
 
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TheStripey1 said:
All of those bases had airfields... long enough to handle the aircraft sent there... Tan Son Nhut had jets landing and taking off, their runway was plenty long... ALL of the others had runways capable of handling prop planes because moron, that's how I got there...

supply? I didn't say I was in supply... I was in air passenger /air freight... and posey, AF didn't have MOS's, that's an army thing...

I drove a bus at Tan Son Nhut... taking the warriors to their C-130s that took them up country to their outposts... and occasionally, I went on mobilities to some of those same outposts, resupplying the troopers with their tools of the trade... and on those missions we often used C-130s or JC-123s... the trip to Vinh Long was on a C7A... I took a taxi to Bien Hoa...

sure... whatever you say posey... what ever you say... you can't answer a simple question about the names of the bases in Viet Nam where you supposedly tested equipment in a war 40 years ago because you might get thrown in the slammer...

that's rich... that really is...

so posey... how many times did you see the AC-130 operate?

now that was a sweet aircraft...

and posey? I don't have to submit anything to Damo, you're a poser... pure and simple...
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Testing sniper rifles that are no longer in use in STILL classified? :)
 
uscitizen said:
Stripey, we heard a lot of the same rhetoric out of Bush as well, remember ?
He was not into nation building or the US being the police force of the world, smaller government, etc, etc, etc...
He supported our Vets, yeah right the democratic congress had to override his budget proposal to cut VA benefits.

To me same old song different mouth.
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Misleading. VA benefits were not "cut." A proposed increase didn't make it. That's not a "cut."
 
Battleborne said:
I did a little research based on the "Stripey One's' comments and attacks on vets...By his own admission he was the lowest of the low on the AF rooster...A bus driver..and material handler...and I went into the new (former )USMB forum to see what he was talking about...he brags about being a 'Painter' doing those fences!....lol...and he has the nerve to question me and what I did in 'Nam'...sorry but I am already retired from Federal service..both military and LE..so 'Stripey'( Are you not really Maineman or his apprentice)..lol... quit with all the BS..you have been found out...Like I would not research it...:eek: :gives:
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It isn't attacking a vet when a vet can't come up with some really simple answers he should know. You don't have the lingo of a vet, and your vague answers can all be pulled from google in a minute.

I don't care if you were the sneakiest bastard in the world and testing sarin in Cambodia, you would have been assigned to a generic unit in country as a cover, and spent more time in-country and on some spook op.

Add to that trying to hide behind security classification for weapons no longer in use tends to make one ask questions.

The question that begs to be answered is "what" exactly has been "found out" about stripey? I've never seen him claim to be anything more than a USAF VN vet, on four different boards. Can you point out specifically the inconsistency to his story? Fraudulent vets stink up a place and if he's one, I'd sure like to know it.
 
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I have no idea...!

Gunny said:
When did they start testing sniper rifles at Fort Hunter-Liggett?
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I was assigned to Camp Roberts/Hunter Liggett After Attending OCS Engineering(1966)...I spent from 1964-1965 in Binlach Germany(Tank Commander M-60A1)...Czechoslovakian Border surveillance...7th Army Amor Division(Cav)...I was assigned to the proto type Starlight Scope research team with Litton Industries while at Hunter Liggett...did TDY's to S/E Asia... support and training on use and operation of said systems...also did combat research on Armor Tank rounds(HEP,Heat ap etc),systems(Target aquisition)...I was never involved with sniper scopes/rifles! other than maybe the 'proto starlight' that had use later on! As for going on about classified I was just playing with Stripey to see if he was for real...and you are correct about the AF flying out of Thailand they also flew support/supply drops out of India and Pakistan early on,and for the comment that the AF did not have a base in Saigon ya are correct...albeit they did land there!...My brother was AF and did supply runs and drops with the AC130...as for your VN era Jargon comment...sorry Gunny I was Army you Marine...all is good...I just speak different...You obviously retired from the Marines and have carried your Jargon into Civilian life...remember I was in service from 1964-1968 not a career soldier! Have a nice day Gunny!


PS: I have no idea if stripey was a vet or not...he came in here and started attacking my history and service...so I just returned his obnoxious behavoir!
 
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Battleborne said:
First off I have absolutely no obligation to answer any of your obnoxious questions or demands...since you are new in here I will advise you to search my posts made long before you entered this forum...as I told you I worked TDY out of Cedec...Camp Roberts/Hunter Ligett...we did combat experimentation and took the protos to country to test and train the troops( my first tdy was to test the starlight scopes others followed)...and by the way since you are so obnoxious where did you say you were in Nam???Since you were Af I would guess Saigon or maybe India as my brother(who was AF in the area) advised me AF flew supply out of India and Pakistan...and thanks for the compliment on the pic...how did I look???(Never mind just more show/prove me questions will follow):321:
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Since you were Af I would guess Saigon or maybe India as my brother(who was AF in the area) advised me AF flew supply out of India and Pakistan..


Huh? India was effectively an avowed enemy of the United States in the 1960s and 1970s. They were aligned mostly, with the Soviet Union. We didn't have any airbases in India. And, we didn't have any airbases in Pakistan that I'm aware of. The airforce flew out of Thailand, during the vietnam war. As Gunny pointed out.

I would think a vietnam vet would know all this.
 
Really.....

Cypress said:
Since you were Af I would guess Saigon or maybe India as my brother(who was AF in the area) advised me AF flew supply out of India and Pakistan..


Huh? India was effectively an avowed enemy of the United States in the 1960s and 1970s. They were aligned mostly, with the Soviet Union. We didn't have any airbases in India. And, we didn't have any airbases in Pakistan that I'm aware of. The airforce flew out of Thailand, during the vietnam war. As Gunny pointed out.

I would think a vietnam vet would know all this.
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Well damn I must bring that to the attention of my brother...who was AF 1959-1963....I remember getting letters from him from 'India' and also Thailand and Pakistan...up yours!
 
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Gunny said:
It isn't attacking a vet when a vet can't come up with some really simple answers he should know. You don't have the lingo of a vet, and your vague answers can all be pulled from google in a minute.

I don't care if you were the sneakiest bastard in the world and testing sarin in Cambodia, you would have been assigned to a generic unit in country as a cover, and spent more time in-country and on some spook op.

Add to that trying to hide behind security classification for weapons no longer in use tends to make one ask questions.

The question that begs to be answered is "what" exactly has been "found out" about stripey? I've never seen him claim to be anything more than a USAF VN vet, on four different boards. Can you point out specifically the inconsistency to his story? Fraudulent vets stink up a place and if he's one, I'd sure like to know it.
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Gunny: "It isn't attacking a vet when a vet can't come up with some really simple answers he should know. You don't have the lingo of a vet, and your vague answers can all be pulled from google in a minute."


It's unfortunate Gunny, but all too often on message boards, I've seen posers invent phony vietnam combat careers. It happens.
 
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