The PC War Against the CP....

And if we did like Patton, McArthur, Grant, and other great generals, they wouldn't be an issue because they would be pushing up daisies right now. That IS my point!

Hundreds of people have been released without charge because of innocence that you would have murdered.

You should change your name to Osama Bin Dixie.
 
Dixie's comments show a distinct lack of understanding of how to deal with insurgencies (which is what the Islamic issue is), the same lack of understanding that led to America's defeat in Vietnam. Dixie's notion that you will defeat your enemy by being more brutal than them failed then and is failing now.

The only times when an insurgency has been successfully defeated have been through boxing clever, by isolating the enemy from their mandate, by undermining the arguments they use to generate support and resources, by withering them from within.

Acting like a bullet-headed retard such as Dixie reinforces the arguments they use, and makes them seem relevant to the people from whom they garner support and resources.

An example would be Israel's recent 'incursion' into Lebanon.

Who here thinks that by Israel using terrorism, targeting civilians in the manner of their enemies has achieved anything. Hizbollah is now back in southern Lebanon, rebuilding destroyed homes and issuing grants to the Lebanese people. They are more popular than ever, reinforced, and Israel's brutal terrorism has ensured another generation of Lebanese kids will join Hizbollah to fight Israel..
 
and Hezbollah was strengthened by Iran as a result of the US's removing the only effective foil to Iranian hegemony in the region. We have pulled this house of cards down upon ourselves by our hamfisted and ignorant approach to the middle east and to the islamic extremism that emanates from there.
 
AnyOldIron said:
By 'politically correct war' Dixie is lamenting the US not acting more like her enemies. --- PC Bullshit!

Dixie, long known as someone in favour of terrorism (commited on our behest), now wishes the US to act like its enemies, murdering and kidnapping etc etc --- PC Bullshit!

If the US acts like its enemies, where is the difference between you? --- PC Bullshit!

What makes the US any better than those it opposes? --- PC Bullshit!

Why shouldn't the rest of the world turn on the US? --- PC Bullshit!

Truth is, Dixie is a first-class fuck-wit and thankfully too dim to enter into politics to enact his barbarity. ---Ad homenim attack!
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You're getting good at this, Arnold. It's like a programmed patern response to everything I say lately... PC Bullshit... PC Bullshit.... PC Bullshit... Ad hom attack! When you grow up and decide to start presenting some tangible information to discuss, as opposed to blowing pure socialist rhetoric and PC blather at everyone, let me know!
 
uscitizen said:
When the Vietnam war ended. We had a military victory. For all their efforts the NVA could not beat our military.
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What you been smokin ? Our govt never set out to win. I was there.
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I was there as well. And its true. Johnson never set out to win. But that was not the point of my post. we did win when Nixon began bombing Hanoi and the NV decided it was time to quit. A truce was signed and we pulled out. Then the dems took over and cut all the funding for SV.

It was a democrat war just like korea.

We could start a whole thread on this issue alone.
 
does Dixie really think that he can escape any and all uncomfortable arguments by yelling "PC Bullshit"?

Well he's highly unlikely to utilise reasoned argument is he...?
 
When the Vietnam war ended. We had a military victory. For all their efforts the NVA could not beat our military.

Ha! Ha! Ha! Bollocks. Who runs Vietnam now?

The US lost Vietnam because it didn't know how to fight an insurgency, a very similar approach to that taken in Iraq.

It believed that overwhelming military force would suffice, a basic and fundamental error. Hence dropping more bombs in Vietnam than was dropped throughout WWII.

It failed and the US lost. It seems like the same Arden Pyles (read The Quiet American) are in command today, given the US approach to Iraq.

If it continues, the US will lose this war as it did Vietnam.

This time it is serious however. We are involved....
 
AnyOldIron said:
When the Vietnam war ended. We had a military victory. For all their efforts the NVA could not beat our military.

Ha! Ha! Ha! Bollocks. Who runs Vietnam now?

The US lost Vietnam because it didn't know how to fight an insurgency, a very similar approach to that taken in Iraq.

It believed that overwhelming military force would suffice, a basic and fundamental error. Hence dropping more bombs in Vietnam than was dropped throughout WWII.

It failed and the US lost. It seems like the same Arden Pyles (read The Quiet American) are in command today, given the US approach to Iraq.

If it continues, the US will lose this war as it did Vietnam.

This time it is serious however. We are involved....
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I stated the actual historic facts in my post. You obviously know nothing about the history of what went on. The democrats started and escalated the Vietnam war. Nixon came in and ended it. The NV wouldn't negociate in good faith and he escalated the bombing in the north to include hanoi. They finally decided they had enough as they were fighting a losing war militarily in the south. The US pulled out and everything was relatively peaceful for two years until the NV invaded SV. The democratically controlled congress at that time voted to deny funding to SV completely. SV's weapons and ammo was all US made. So with no more coming in and no rreplacement parts they were effectively disarmed and unable to fight off the invasion from the north. SV fell because of our wonderful demcratic congress. When the country fell there were only a few military people there and they were not combat troops. The NV did not defeat American troops in taking SV. They defeated unarmed SV troops thanks to our congress. That's the true history of it.

The US military can handle insergencies or armies. Doesn't matter. Now how the US handles the media and its propaganda messages is another matter. Liberal media and commies like you always twist the truth. But we have freedom of speech so you always get to spout your garbage. But if your going to spout about Vietnam at least read up on the facts.
 
Gaffer said:
I stated the actual historic facts in my post. You obviously know nothing about the history of what went on. The democrats started and escalated the Vietnam war. Nixon came in and ended it. The NV wouldn't negociate in good faith and he escalated the bombing in the north to include hanoi. They finally decided they had enough as they were fighting a losing war militarily in the south. The US pulled out and everything was relatively peaceful for two years until the NV invaded SV. The democratically controlled congress at that time voted to deny funding to SV completely. SV's weapons and ammo was all US made. So with no more coming in and no rreplacement parts they were effectively disarmed and unable to fight off the invasion from the north. SV fell because of our wonderful demcratic congress. When the country fell there were only a few military people there and they were not combat troops. The NV did not defeat American troops in taking SV. They defeated unarmed SV troops thanks to our congress. That's the true history of it.

The US military can handle insergencies or armies. Doesn't matter. Now how the US handles the media and its propaganda messages is another matter. Liberal media and commies like you always twist the truth. But we have freedom of speech so you always get to spout your garbage. But if your going to spout about Vietnam at least read up on the facts.
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well...that's the Nixon apologist version of history....here's another:

http://www.ijnhonline.org/volume4_number2_aug05/review_wilbanks_sherwood_aug05.htm
 
to blame the collapse of Vietnam solely on a democratic congress and apportion none of the blame to Nixon and his policies is precisely that.

that...and it's fuckin' funny, too
 
maineman said:
to blame the collapse of Vietnam solely on a democratic congress and apportion none of the blame to Nixon and his policies is precisely that.

that...and it's fuckin' funny, too
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So laying blame makes you an apologist?

Well I must admit that I am an apologist of late, ya see I can see what the majority had to put up with here, with the likes of cypress the mudflap, the victim Darla, the brain within the dish..I mean desh, I can say that I am real sorry that anyone had to put up with it!.....:cof1:


Seriously, if ones accusations of blame makes them apologists I would think you seriously screw up by calling a conservative a bush apologist. seems all ass backwards to me.
 
Gaffer said:
I stated the actual historic facts in my post. You obviously know nothing about the history of what went on. The democrats started and escalated the Vietnam war. Nixon came in and ended it. The NV wouldn't negociate in good faith and he escalated the bombing in the north to include hanoi. They finally decided they had enough as they were fighting a losing war militarily in the south. The US pulled out and everything was relatively peaceful for two years until the NV invaded SV. The democratically controlled congress at that time voted to deny funding to SV completely. SV's weapons and ammo was all US made. So with no more coming in and no rreplacement parts they were effectively disarmed and unable to fight off the invasion from the north. SV fell because of our wonderful demcratic congress. When the country fell there were only a few military people there and they were not combat troops. The NV did not defeat American troops in taking SV. They defeated unarmed SV troops thanks to our congress. That's the true history of it.

The US military can handle insergencies or armies. Doesn't matter. Now how the US handles the media and its propaganda messages is another matter. Liberal media and commies like you always twist the truth. But we have freedom of speech so you always get to spout your garbage. But if your going to spout about Vietnam at least read up on the facts.
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This is the frickinest funniest post of the week!

Nixon "Won" the Vietnam War

LOL
 
SV fell because of our wonderful demcratic congress. When the country fell there were only a few military people there and they were not combat troops.

So what? The North Vietnamese took over, and here we are three decades later and vietnam is an emerging psuedo-capitalist country that we have good relations with. They're not perfect, but we get along with them fine.

So what was the point of slaughtering 58,000 americans and half a trillion taxpayer dollars, in the first place?
 
Cypress said:
SV fell because of our wonderful demcratic congress. When the country fell there were only a few military people there and they were not combat troops.

So what? The North Vietnamese took over, and here we are three decades later and vietnam is an emerging psuedo-capitalist country that we have good relations with. They're not perfect, but we get along with them fine.

So what was the point of slaughtering 58,000 americans and half a trillion taxpayer dollars, in the first place?
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I'd say the wonderful Democratic congress made the right call. We didn't waste any more american lives or money, and it still turned out OK in the end. We're on good terms with vietnam.
 
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